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re: U.S. Military no longer supporting Scouts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 1:36 pm to Swamp Angel
Posted on 11/25/25 at 1:36 pm to Swamp Angel
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I purchased a Scout Field Book for one of my coworkers whose sons enjoy running around their many wooded acres like wild Indians during the summers. I though it would provide them with some guidance on building shelters, starting a cooking fire, lashing poles together to create tripods and rope bridges - but NOoOoOo! It's full of climate alarmist crap, equity and inclusion tripe, and namby-pamby sissy-boy BS.
Just to prove you a liar. This is right out of my kids scoutbook...
Shelter
Campfires
Lashings
And FWIW, I spent 2 hours on Sunday instructing a handuful of scouts from my kids troop on Sunday how to read a compass and find their way using nothing but bearing and distances. They then sucessfully completed an orineteering course with 25 waypoints that was over 1 mile in length.
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 1:44 pm
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 1:38 pm to Swamp Angel
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The last issue of the Field Book
You can buy new prints of the old Field Books on ebay. You can learn fun things like how to fight off a rabid dog (kick it's jaw from underneath.) I elected not to give it to my 9 year old at the time because it was a little bit too old school.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 1:50 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Just to prove you a liar. This is right out of my kids scoutbook...
Might want to check yourself there, cowboy. I have the fifth edition of the Fieldbook right in front of me, printing date of 2014. Nowhere in this issue are those illustrations to be found.
Either you have a previous edition, or they have been added to a newer sixth edition that I am unaware of. I'm glad to see the lashing covered in your copy.
However, young man, please consider tempering your accusations a bit before screaming "liar." Should I respond by calling you a polygamist based upon an inference I could make on incomplete information?
Posted on 11/25/25 at 1:51 pm to LemmyLives
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You can buy new prints of the old Field Books on ebay.
Thanks for the direction in that regard. I'd love to find a reprint of the one Dad had when he was a Lone Scout back in the 1940s. I learned a whole lot just from the illustrations in that book.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 1:58 pm to Swamp Angel
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Might want to check yourself there, cowboy. I have the fifth edition of the Fieldbook right in front of me, printing date of 2014. Nowhere in this issue are those illustrations to be found.
Yeah, the ones I posted are from 2019 Cowboy.
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 11/25/25 at 2:02 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Yeah, the ones I posted are from 2019, Cowboy.
Whew! Glad to see the illustrations were added to the newest release. Thanks for the update. I'll look into getting a copy of the 2019 edition for my coworkers' kids. I was highly disappointed in the 2014 Fifth Edition
Posted on 11/25/25 at 2:04 pm to Swamp Angel
I was mistaken, I got the reprint from Amazon. However, there are plenty of used copies on eBay like this 1965 edition ($5 or buy it now for $9): 
Posted on 11/25/25 at 2:24 pm to LemmyLives
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However, there are plenty of used copies on eBay like this 1965 edition
Ha ha, I got some scout named John Weber’s 65 version sitting on my desk right now. Refer to it when I want to check between old and new requirements.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 2:39 pm to ghost2most
Cutting off support for the national Jamboree that occurs every 4 years would be no big deal, and apparently is the only change that requires justification to Congress.
However, severing all ties to Scouting would be a big misstep and the classic cutting off one’s nose to spite your face. The military went all-in on DEI, LGBTQ, and a woke agenda – even more so than the Scouts. Now Hegseth has fixed the military but says the Scouts are beyond repair and wants to cast them aside. Organizations change gradually over time and if we want to get the woke out of Scouting, the solution is not to chase out all of the military families and pinch the pipeline of Scouts that go on to military service. I read that 1/3 of military members have a scouting background, and 10% of service academy grads were Eagle scouts.
The local troops I know in our area have changed very little over the past 10+ years, even if some top-down changes have been pushed (e.g. Citizenship in Society merit badge). My son’s former troop remains an all-boy trip and still does a monthly campout, with 12 months of activities planned by the boys each September.
In just the last 5 years or so they’ve done Philmont twice (12-day summer trek in NM and a 5-day winter adventure trip), snow skiing, built monkey bridges, went snorkeling in Destin (stayed at NAS Pensacola), canoeing, kayaking at Swampbase in the the Atchafalaya, hiked the 12-mile Vicksburg battlefield trail, waterskiing, summer camp in NC, TN and GA, fishing at Grand Isle, crawfishing, skeet and target shooting, black powder rifles, horseback riding, and countless Eagle projects. We know we’re doing something right when parents remark how much their sons have changed after a high adventure trip like Philmont.
Several troop members have been kids of service members who joined troops at each deployment location. Their dads are great adult leaders, facilitating campouts on the property and even a tour of the control tower at NAS Belle Chasse for the aviation merit badge. Many troop members have gone on to military service, including an Annapolis grad who is in the nuclear sub program. One was an at risk borderline suicidal kid who got involved in scouting and has now been in the Army for 6 years. Scouting provides leadership and self reliance skills that is very hard to find elsewhere.
Honestly the main concern the Scouts have with recent changes from national involve rules that take risk (and some fun) out of it. Things like the bans on paintball, dodgeball, and no homemade zip lines (that was a thing on our wilderness survival trips), etc.
I’m not one to write to politicians but I can’t sit by and let 100 years of partnership with the military disappear with the stroke of a pen by someone who hasn’t a clue what goes on in a typical unit (most of which remain all-boy or all-girl troops).
TL; DR - There's still much to be gained by both the military and Scouting by continuing their long-standing relationship, and the core tenets of the organization foster incredible positive change in young men (and now women), when properly put into action by competent local units.
However, severing all ties to Scouting would be a big misstep and the classic cutting off one’s nose to spite your face. The military went all-in on DEI, LGBTQ, and a woke agenda – even more so than the Scouts. Now Hegseth has fixed the military but says the Scouts are beyond repair and wants to cast them aside. Organizations change gradually over time and if we want to get the woke out of Scouting, the solution is not to chase out all of the military families and pinch the pipeline of Scouts that go on to military service. I read that 1/3 of military members have a scouting background, and 10% of service academy grads were Eagle scouts.
The local troops I know in our area have changed very little over the past 10+ years, even if some top-down changes have been pushed (e.g. Citizenship in Society merit badge). My son’s former troop remains an all-boy trip and still does a monthly campout, with 12 months of activities planned by the boys each September.
In just the last 5 years or so they’ve done Philmont twice (12-day summer trek in NM and a 5-day winter adventure trip), snow skiing, built monkey bridges, went snorkeling in Destin (stayed at NAS Pensacola), canoeing, kayaking at Swampbase in the the Atchafalaya, hiked the 12-mile Vicksburg battlefield trail, waterskiing, summer camp in NC, TN and GA, fishing at Grand Isle, crawfishing, skeet and target shooting, black powder rifles, horseback riding, and countless Eagle projects. We know we’re doing something right when parents remark how much their sons have changed after a high adventure trip like Philmont.
Several troop members have been kids of service members who joined troops at each deployment location. Their dads are great adult leaders, facilitating campouts on the property and even a tour of the control tower at NAS Belle Chasse for the aviation merit badge. Many troop members have gone on to military service, including an Annapolis grad who is in the nuclear sub program. One was an at risk borderline suicidal kid who got involved in scouting and has now been in the Army for 6 years. Scouting provides leadership and self reliance skills that is very hard to find elsewhere.
Honestly the main concern the Scouts have with recent changes from national involve rules that take risk (and some fun) out of it. Things like the bans on paintball, dodgeball, and no homemade zip lines (that was a thing on our wilderness survival trips), etc.
I’m not one to write to politicians but I can’t sit by and let 100 years of partnership with the military disappear with the stroke of a pen by someone who hasn’t a clue what goes on in a typical unit (most of which remain all-boy or all-girl troops).
TL; DR - There's still much to be gained by both the military and Scouting by continuing their long-standing relationship, and the core tenets of the organization foster incredible positive change in young men (and now women), when properly put into action by competent local units.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 2:43 pm to Lonnie Utah
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And FWIW, I spent 2 hours on Sunday instructing a handful of scouts from my kids troop on Sunday how to read a compass and find their way using nothing but bearing and distances. They then successfully completed an orienteering course with 25 waypoints that was over 1 mile in length.
I gotta give you high praises for this. My wife's niece married a young man who, after graduating college, was commissioned a 2LT in our Army. His MOS is 11-Alpha (infantry officer) and he was planning on getting his Ranger tab. Unfortunately, he couldn't get through the orienteering portion in the required time for qualification. It has remained a bit of a mystery to me how one could fail the orienteering course since that was one of the basics taught in Scouts many years ago.
I'm glad to see that you have an interest and desire in ensuring that those skills are not lost when GPS, Apple Maps, and Google Maps have made it easy for today's youth to find themselves completely at a loss in regard to even knowing what a map is.
Keep us the good work. The next generation needs guidance from dedicated parents like you.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 2:52 pm to Swamp Angel
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It has remained a bit of a mystery to me how one could fail the orienteering course since that was one of the basics taught in Scouts many years ago.
There two main ways to screw up an O course. 1) Be off on your direction of travel, or 2) be off on your pace. We're fortunate enough to live in a place where you can see a long way off. That makes keeping on bearing easy (or easier). Howver, at Ft. Benning that's not the case. In forested areas, following a bearing and keeping it true can be difficult.
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 11/25/25 at 3:10 pm to biglego
That must have been Cub Scouts. Boy Scouts start at 11 years old. As everyone has pointed out, you need to get involved in a Pack or Troop and make it better. It's about building a culture that's engaging and fun. And along the way the kids become more self confident, adventurous and better citizens. Parental involvement is prime.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 3:16 pm to ghost2most
Posted on 11/25/25 at 3:18 pm to ghost2most
Girls never belonged in Boy Scouts. Girl Scouts exists for a reason. There are differences in being a man or woman. Separate groups have different missions for that reasons.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 3:27 pm to ghost2most
Boys need space to be….Boys. As a former Cub, Webelo, Boy Scout, allowing Girls in is a complete travesty. They have their own. Thats why Christian-based Trail Life is the best alternative for Boys
Posted on 11/25/25 at 4:57 pm to NoBoDawg
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Boys need space to be….Boys. As a former Cub, Webelo, Boy Scout, allowing Girls in is a complete travesty. They have their own. Thats why Christian-based Trail Life is the best alternative for Boys
Or you know you can just start a boys only pack and troop that still exists in Scouting America and get the same original non Temu version of the program.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:42 pm to ghost2most
The fact that boy scouts now have girls in them is just more proof of the misandry as norm culture that the Dims want for all of our society.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 7:04 pm to Sam Quint
Apparently a lot of people in this thread. Are you illiterate?
Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:02 pm to ghost2most
Good for Hegseth. The Boy Scouts of America has become a joke.
Your daughter has no business being in the organization. Give her a hatchet and she will probably chop off her foot.
Get her enrolled in the Girl Scouts where she can make herself useful by learning things like cooking, sewing, and ironing.
Your daughter has no business being in the organization. Give her a hatchet and she will probably chop off her foot.
Get her enrolled in the Girl Scouts where she can make herself useful by learning things like cooking, sewing, and ironing.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:17 pm to ghost2most
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In a draft memo to Congress, which sources shared with NPR but which has not yet been sent, Hegseth criticizes Scouting for being "genderless" and for promoting diversity, equity and inclusion.
Hopefully another leftover leak is about to be pushed out.
As for Scouting America (it’s not called Boy Scouts anymore) it went political years ago and back in 2017 announce girls as trans could enter and then went all inclusive with its name in 2024. There are probably some really good local troops and leaders and involved parents, but on a national stage or event you will also have “pregnant men” as troop leaders and possibly in the future get a badge for getting your dick cut off and get a pussy pouch added.
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 8:18 pm
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