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re: West Point cadet booted over AI deepfakes
Posted on 3/2/26 at 9:55 pm to forkedintheroad
Posted on 3/2/26 at 9:55 pm to forkedintheroad
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don't know how any extortion works anymore when you can just say it's a deep fake and 99% of people will believe you.
Here's one I was talking with my coworkers about: electronic signatures.
How can these hold up in court? It's not my signature and you can't prove that I am the person who typed my name into a computer.
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Posted on 3/2/26 at 9:59 pm to UltimaParadox
quote:Agreed, but he has to live with the fact that he just threw away a golden ticket to a successful life. Appointment to a service academy is almost a guarantee of a very nice future. Kid is the ultimate dumbass.
So basically he got a slap on the wrist, he should be going to prison
Posted on 3/2/26 at 10:02 pm to LemmyLives
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What a scumbag that guy is. You're in shape, have direction, and you have to threaten women to get stimulation? Low. Low.
Agree completely…..totally opposite of what you would want as a military officer. Honestly, I am suprised he was able to get into West Point….
Posted on 3/2/26 at 10:09 pm to magildachunks
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It's not my signature and you can't prove that I am the person who typed my name into a computer.
I won't geek out on you, but you can absolutely prove that you executed the e-sig in multiple ways. This IP address is from your house, on a computer you use, which you have the password to X website, etc. The alternatives are to have a notary present for every signature, or to rely on a signature sent via fax.
Just last week, a local notary told me and my ex wife how to falsely add information to a form for Princess cruises (the other signature needed was from her sister 45 miles away, which should have been done in person.)
How often has a cashier verified your wife's signature on a check against her driver's license? So secure.
Posted on 3/2/26 at 10:18 pm to LemmyLives
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won't geek out on you, but you can absolutely prove that you executed the e-sig in multiple ways. This IP address is from your house, on a computer you use, which you have the password to X website, etc.
None of those can prove that I am the person who typed my name.
If I say I didn't do it, how can you prove I did and not my wife or child or a houseguest? I have a password to a website? Ok. Passwords and PINs get hacked all the time.
It came from a computer that I have access to? Am I the only person with access? (The answer to that is no. The company that built the computer has access to it. HP can remotely disable your printer if they want to. A printer.)
You can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that I "signed" my electronic signature if I deny doing so.
Posted on 3/2/26 at 10:41 pm to magildachunks
It's called non-repudiation.
If you use the same password for all 400 websites you log into, that's a you problem. If you don't enable MFA, that's a you problem. If you leave your authenticated browser open so your four year old dumps all of your IRA accounts into cash, that's a you problem.
No, they don't. Even retarded gateways block inbound connections from non trusted networks unless you specifically enable them. HP can only "disable' your printer because you authorized it to install firmware that you didn't read the release notes on, which you could have refused (which I did with my Brother.)
But using TPM, IP addresses, passkeys, browser fingerprinting, all totally less secure than a fax of your scribbled signature. Ok.
Again, I gave you a direct example of physical ID verification, this week, where social engineering broke the system, which permitted my kids to be taken into another country, by someone certified by the state to not break the rules. E-signatures are not the problem. Human integrity is.
If you use the same password for all 400 websites you log into, that's a you problem. If you don't enable MFA, that's a you problem. If you leave your authenticated browser open so your four year old dumps all of your IRA accounts into cash, that's a you problem.
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The company that built the computer has access to it.
No, they don't. Even retarded gateways block inbound connections from non trusted networks unless you specifically enable them. HP can only "disable' your printer because you authorized it to install firmware that you didn't read the release notes on, which you could have refused (which I did with my Brother.)
But using TPM, IP addresses, passkeys, browser fingerprinting, all totally less secure than a fax of your scribbled signature. Ok.
Again, I gave you a direct example of physical ID verification, this week, where social engineering broke the system, which permitted my kids to be taken into another country, by someone certified by the state to not break the rules. E-signatures are not the problem. Human integrity is.
Posted on 3/2/26 at 11:20 pm to CocomoLSU
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They’re gonna need to come up with changes to laws (or create new ones in general) with all the AI shite looming. Seems like it won’t be long until you can almost literally create anything with any “person” you want. shite is weird.
They already are, but it’s state by state. I’m not sure about New York, but in Louisiana:
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§73.13. Unlawful deepfakes
. . .
B.(1) Except as provided in Paragraph (2) of this Subsection, any person who, with knowledge that the material is a deepfake that depicts another person, without consent of the person depicted, engaging in sexual conduct, knowingly advertises, distributes, exhibits, exchanges with, promotes, or sells any sexual material shall be punished by imprisonment at hard labor for not less than ten nor more than thirty years, a fine of not more than fifty thousand dollars, or both.
. . .
(4) "Sexual conduct" means any of the following, whether actual or simulated: sexual intercourse, oral copulation, anal intercourse, anal oral copulation, masturbation, bestiality, sexual sadism, sexual masochism, penetration of the vagina or rectum by any object in a lewd or lascivious manner, exhibition of the genitals or pubic or rectal area for the purpose of sexual stimulation of the viewer, or excretory functions performed in a lewd or lascivious manner, whether or not any of the conduct is performed alone or between members of the same or opposite sex or between humans and animals. An act is simulated when it gives the appearance of being actual sexual conduct.
I’d be a little surprised if NY didn’t already have some sort of similar deepfake law on the books. Kind of weird that it said he’s already been charged and sentenced to only 10 days by a military judge though, not sure if that means he’s off the hook now.
Posted on 3/2/26 at 11:29 pm to LemmyLives
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No, they don't. Even retarded gateways block inbound connections from non trusted networks unless you specifically enable them. HP can only "disable' your printer because you authorized it to install firmware that you didn't read the release notes on, which you could have refused (which I did with my Brother.)
So you admit that they could have access to my computer?
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But using TPM, IP addresses, passkeys, browser fingerprinting, all totally less secure than a fax of your scribbled signature. Ok.
And that's all well and good. Still isn't evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Again, I gave you a direct example of physical ID verification, this week, where social engineering broke the system, which permitted my kids to be taken into another country, by someone certified by the state to not break the rules. E-signatures are not the problem. Human integrity is.
What does a notary with a lackadaisical attitude towards ethics have to do with my question: how can an e-signature be upheld by law if I deny typing my name?
Posted on 3/3/26 at 12:13 am to magildachunks
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So you admit that they could have access to my computer?
FML. You would have to go into your gateway/router and explicitly permit access from whatever IP adress they're coming from. You clearly have no idea what any of that means, so no.
You're absolutely fricking retarded. I gave you, again, an example of physical verification not meaning jack shite, and your argument is ... ? An e-sig is worse, somehow, even though docusign has multiple layers of verification built in? Have you heard of ID.me? Yeah, I knew you didn't. How it's used in FedGov, states, etc.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 4:56 am to bigjoe1
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if he was a West point cadet wouldn't he be subject to military justice. Seems like the Army could prosecute him for extortion.
They are not “in the military” (commissioned as officers) until their Junior or Senior year. I forget which. Before that, they are just a college student at a school with really strict academic and performance rules that makes them wear a uniform. First couple of years they can just say “frick this I quit” and leave. After they commission, not so much.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 5:19 am to Jim Rockford
Since when did deepfakes become a word?
Posted on 3/3/26 at 7:34 am to LemmyLives
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To be fair, it's up to the King William? county district attorney to press criminal charges. I don't think West Point can do that.
As a member of the Armed Services he is subject to UCMJ. Hence the judge in this matter was COL Trevor Barna
This post was edited on 3/3/26 at 7:36 am
Posted on 3/3/26 at 7:46 am to magildachunks
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Here's one I was talking with my coworkers about: electronic signatures.
How can these hold up in court? It's not my signature and you can't prove that I am the person who typed my name into a computer.
This may be why you’re hearing more and more about smart contracts and blockchain technology. It eliminates the need for “wet” signatures.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 7:56 am to magildachunks
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how can an e-signature be upheld by law if I deny typing my name?
How does a physical signature get upheld if you deny signing the document?
This seems silly to argue about. If someone forges your signature you’re going to rely on some sort of handwriting analysis to prove it. If someone forges an e-signature you’re going to rely on an electronic paper trail to prove it.
If someone files your tax return using your tax documents, your SSN, your IRS PIN, from your PC, on an IP address assigned to your home, and e-signs.. good luck proving an identity thief broke into your house just to file your tax return. I don’t see how that’s any less secure than a physical signature.
In cases of actual identity theft, that same electronic trail should help you prove it wasn’t you.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 8:41 am to Jim Rockford
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Ex-cadet Cayden Cork threatened to publicly release the deepfakes of the woman if she did not send actual nude photos of herself,
What kind of dumb extortion is this. Granted they look real as heck but, "I'm going to release fake pictures, if you don't send me real pictures..."
Posted on 3/3/26 at 8:55 am to magildachunks
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Here's one I was talking with my coworkers about: electronic signatures. How can these hold up in court? It's not my signature and you can't prove that I am the person who typed my name into a computer.
If you use something like Docusign you usually have to verify yourself in some way. It’s normally by asking specific questions that only you should know.
Then if you are signing something it’s normally a condition of you receiving some kind of consideration like taking delivery, cashing a check, etc.
Plus there is a big backend electronic chain for your signature. You can out all kinds of info on the backend.
It’s actually easier to commit fraud using a “notary” than a legitimate electronic signature system. Plus some states requirements to become a notary are laughably easy.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 9:01 am to Free888
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This may be why you’re hearing more and more about smart contracts and blockchain technology
This problem has been solved... And it wasn't with some scam crypto coin no one uses
Posted on 3/3/26 at 2:09 pm to UltimaParadox
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This problem has been solved... And it wasn't with some scam crypto coin no one uses
The use of blockchain is completely different than a “scam crypto coin”. The SWIFT payment system is going to be replaced by blockchain technology within the next decade.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 2:36 pm to armytiger96
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As a member of the Armed Services he is subject to UCMJ. Hence the judge in this matter was COL Trevor Barna
Your post was badly needed. I couldn't believe that posters did not know this was a military court with a Colonel for a judge (and the power to boot someone out of the Army).
Posted on 3/3/26 at 2:49 pm to Jim Rockford
Dude didn't want no cubic zirconia AI nudes. He wanted the real deal.
Sure him and his friends can't tell the difference but it's the thought that counts.
Sure him and his friends can't tell the difference but it's the thought that counts.
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