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re: What time are we expecting the rapture today?
Posted on 9/23/25 at 12:52 pm to Corinthians420
Posted on 9/23/25 at 12:52 pm to Corinthians420
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Its not my place to judge whose beliefs are legitimate.
It is your place to dodge a question you can't answer though.
ETA Also, how do you reconcile that with you mocking someone else's beliefs? Or am I misinterpreting your OP?
This post was edited on 9/23/25 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 9/23/25 at 12:52 pm to Corinthians420
Gone in the blink of an eye.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 12:56 pm to clamdip
I take a middle position (because I am a millennialist). Believers go through the tribulation period but are caught up (I do not use rapture) prior to God’s wrath at the conclusion of the Great Tribulation. Same thought process though. These words are meant to comfort those who are suffering and are being persecuted.
We can both agree (respectfully for those who hold a counter-position) that these words are of no comfort if you believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. They need no comfort because they are in the presence of Christ.
I always encourage people to read 2 Thessalonians in light of the fact that Paul’s teachings about those who were dead in Christ (the subject of 1 Thessalonians) was still not clear to the local church. It basically (roughly) serves as a commentary on his first epistle to the church at Thessalonica.
We can both agree (respectfully for those who hold a counter-position) that these words are of no comfort if you believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. They need no comfort because they are in the presence of Christ.
I always encourage people to read 2 Thessalonians in light of the fact that Paul’s teachings about those who were dead in Christ (the subject of 1 Thessalonians) was still not clear to the local church. It basically (roughly) serves as a commentary on his first epistle to the church at Thessalonica.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 1:03 pm to Corinthians420
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The viral claim by Joshua Mhlakela, who says Jesus personally revealed the date of his return in a divine vision, has led some followers to sell possessions and prepare for what they believe is the end of days.
Why sell their possessions? My guess is they were urged to by their leader and told to give the money to him in order to be raptured.
It’s amazing how people can be so gullible and desperate that they fall in these traps set by snake oil salesmen. They’ll find out tomorrow but given an excuse that they will eat up lock stock and barrel and live in a hovel somewhere while their leader is living in his gold plated palace.
P.T. Barnum said that there is a sucker born every minute, that’s as accurate as it gets.
We’ll know it’s time when it happens, no man is directly receiving messages from God.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 1:09 pm to LNCHBOX
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It is your place to dodge a question you can't answer though
Only a person can know if their beliefs are legitimate or not.
If they truly believe within themselves and strive to exude the values preached by their belief then their belief is legitimate.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 1:11 pm to Corinthians420
Gross Protestant fundamentalist
There won’t be today or ever any weirdo pre, mid, or post tribulation mumbo jumbo.
Go read a bible and quit getting your good news from heretics in bedazzled jeans playing an electric guitar.
There won’t be today or ever any weirdo pre, mid, or post tribulation mumbo jumbo.
Go read a bible and quit getting your good news from heretics in bedazzled jeans playing an electric guitar.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 1:13 pm to Corinthians420
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Only a person can know if their beliefs are legitimate or not.
Not according to your buddy TBoy
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If they truly believe within themselves and strive to exude the values preached by their belief then their belief is legitimate.
Well, that's an acceptable answer. Enjoy a rare upvote.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 1:16 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:that would only be the case if there were no evidence. Are you asserting that all religious belief is by definition without evidence?
So like I said, why would any religious belief be "legitimate" according to that logic?
Posted on 9/23/25 at 1:17 pm to cgrand
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that would only be the case if there were no evidence. Are you asserting that all religious belief is by definition without evidence?
I was not the one trying to delegitimize someone else's beliefs. TBoy will need to answer that.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 1:19 pm to LNCHBOX
it seems you are using “legitimate” and “true” interchangeably here. Is that right?
Posted on 9/23/25 at 1:19 pm to cgrand
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it seems you are using “legitimate” and “true” interchangeably here. Is that right?
No. Feel free to go back to where this discussion began.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 1:26 pm to LNCHBOX
fair enough I didn’t want to misinterpret what you said, but it does sound like what you are saying is that because a belief is religious it necessarily is not based on evidence
Posted on 9/23/25 at 1:28 pm to cgrand
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but it does sound like what you are saying is that because a belief is religious it necessarily is not based on evidence
I am legitimately interested in which religious beliefs would be considered legitimate according to his standard. No one involved in the discussion seemed to want to answer though. Oh well.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 1:35 pm to Corinthians420
I think Central Time is expected to be raptured this evening.... maybe 9ish.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 1:36 pm to LNCHBOX
Just finishing up a great small group study of Revelation. Needless to say, most do not understand Revelation (one of the reasons I picked it as a study).
Rapture is something that is not ever preached from our pulpit (Presbyterian), but I've heard the term my entire life.
The word Rapture does not appear in the Bible. The modern-day idea was started by a Scottish pastor in 1830 and caught on with some of his followers who brought it to the USA in the 1800's.
Rapture is something that is not ever preached from our pulpit (Presbyterian), but I've heard the term my entire life.
The word Rapture does not appear in the Bible. The modern-day idea was started by a Scottish pastor in 1830 and caught on with some of his followers who brought it to the USA in the 1800's.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 1:39 pm to LNCHBOX
again, you are using “legitimate” when your tone implies “true”. Are you asking for examples of religious belief that are based on observable and proveable evidence or are you asking for examples that are meaningful? Because that’s not necessarily the same thing
Posted on 9/23/25 at 1:55 pm to cgrand
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again, you are using “legitimate” when your tone implies “true”.
No, I'm asking what he means and I've yet to get a good answer for why Kilroy's grandpa didn't have legitimate belief in TBoy's opinion. Not sure why the attack is on me but whatever.
This post was edited on 9/23/25 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 9/23/25 at 1:56 pm to Ace Midnight
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You're free to mock those who believe.
Imagine believing in nothing, though.
Just imagine that...
Imagine believing in a doctrine created in the 1830s. You folks create doctrines left and right, on a whim, ever since Jesus lived.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 2:07 pm to LNCHBOX
I’m not attacking you LOL
I was trying to have a conversation
what is your definition of legitimate?
lawful?
defensible?
serious?
relating to a sovereign?
I keep asking and you keep avoiding answering. Do you think that legitimacy implies truth?
I was trying to have a conversation
what is your definition of legitimate?
lawful?
defensible?
serious?
relating to a sovereign?
I keep asking and you keep avoiding answering. Do you think that legitimacy implies truth?
Posted on 9/23/25 at 2:08 pm to TigerMyth36
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I think Central Time is expected to be raptured this evening.... maybe 9ish.
That works for me. Will be done with dinner and theres no football games on.
Might disappoint some of the WNBA posters on the MSB if it interrupts caitlin clarks playoff game.
This post was edited on 9/23/25 at 2:09 pm
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