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re: What would you do if the grid went down.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:55 am to rickyh
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:55 am to rickyh
I've wondered about this. I got family and extended family out in the middle of nowhere. Plenty of land and resources. But it's a full days drive to them... Could I make it? Not sure that it would be possible. I would need access to at least 30 gallons of gas ( if I started with a full tank)
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Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:56 am to billjamin
A houseboat on a sizable lake sounds like a plan, plenty of food and water... Anyone that could reach you would have access to the same food, now they might want your propane/fuel 
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:56 am to rickyh
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Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:58 am to rickyh
Enjoy the nice, dark skies and do a lot of fishing.
We have our own grid, its usually back online in a hour or two.
We have our own grid, its usually back online in a hour or two.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:58 am to TigerDeacon
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Sorry, I missed the troll job
Your arse needs a deer a week to make it in a survival situation and I'm the troll?
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:59 am to BoogaBear
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Your arse needs a deer a week to make it in a survival situation and I'm the troll
You got family or is your Snow White existence solitary?
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:02 am to rickyh
We would probably die pretty quick.
My family has 50 acres surrounded by 30,000 acres of NF, but I assume a lot of people would also have similar idea and be fighting for those same resources.
Between myself, my Dad, and my brother, we have a small arsenal, but it wouldn't last very long if we got repeatedly attacked.
In a true end of the world scenario, things are going to get real dicey within a few a months.
And that is assuming no one gets sick or hurt or anything like that.
My family has 50 acres surrounded by 30,000 acres of NF, but I assume a lot of people would also have similar idea and be fighting for those same resources.
Between myself, my Dad, and my brother, we have a small arsenal, but it wouldn't last very long if we got repeatedly attacked.
In a true end of the world scenario, things are going to get real dicey within a few a months.
And that is assuming no one gets sick or hurt or anything like that.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:03 am to TigerDeacon
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That's still insufficient.
With a quick google search, it seems like Mississippi has the highest average deer density with 38 per square mile. Your 20 plus the 165 is 185 acres which is a little over a quarter of a square mile. So you are talking less than 10 deer on that land. That doesn't even take into account those other neighbors who also only have 20 acres of land.
Even supplementing with a garden (do you have heirloom seeds?) livestock (hope they don't get sick, succumb to a predator) fish in pond will even run dry if you are overfishing it to survive day to day.
My mom has deer that walk up to her back gate demanding to be feed every day. The first time I plug one that ends. Your semi-tame deer will go the way of unprepared people.
a) no shite because deer arent in the cities so its a lot more than that in the actual woods
b) have you ever went extended period after a hurricane? its nto nearly as bad for those that know how to survive
C) are you expecting an emp? because if not generators still work. you can still get gas if you have a small dc pump and many have lots of gas stored.
d) freezers will hold for days and you do not have to run the generator all the time to keep it frozen, especially during the winter
e) not that hard to make a fire to cook and easy to get sticks and wood for most people not in major cities
f) not nearly as many people are going to be out trying to kill as you think, nor would nearly as many be out trying to fish and hunt. 75% of the country has no skills to even be able to do that.
the other thing is people can last a hell of a lot longer than 2 weeks without food. insane people think that. especially if obese. just need water. they have people that fast for 100 days all the time to lose the extreme weight. after 48 hours and especially after 72, your body adapts...i have done it plenty of times.
and unless its emp over the whole country, how in the frick are they taking out the whole grid? your scenerio doesnt make any sense what so ever,
even if it is an emp attack we would have much of the grid back up and running within 8-12 weeks. many that are not city dwelling pussy boys could handle that much easier than you think.
the ones i was talking abotu are the elderly and the poor who are used to being taken care of. many single women would be done in a heart beat but most nuclear families with strong male figure would be fine. would be a lot skinnier but would be fine.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:12 am to TigerDeacon
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You got family or is your Snow White existence solitary?
Yes I have a family and we could make it 1 week with just a roast from a deer supplemented with potatoes, other vegetables, and rice.
Let's say all you can kill are small deer. Each deer gives you 30 lbs of processed meat. By your logic you believe you need 1,560lbs of meat to make it a year
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:15 am to subMOA
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Everyone will keep their cool for about a week or 2. By week 3, people will be really worried. By week 4, some will have totally given up. By week 6, all hell breaks loose.
After seeing my experience wit hurricanes and loss of power for weeks at a time, I would change that time frame. Most people will lose their cool after 2 days, but I think it would take longer than 6 weeks for all hell to break lose or most. With that said, there is a small group that will skip all those steps and jump straight to all hell breaks loose with in a matter of days as soon as they realize it's a long-term ordeal that they can take advantage of
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:18 am to SuperOcean
After a week, the population violence would be almost inescapable. Those who store up goods, do so only for others to come steal it.
Strong survival skills would be required to last beyond a few weeks. The most violent, the most motivated will survive, not those who have a lot of stuff.
Strong survival skills would be required to last beyond a few weeks. The most violent, the most motivated will survive, not those who have a lot of stuff.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:19 am to lsu777
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your scenerio doesnt make any sense what so ever,
My scenario?
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no shite because deer arent in the cities so its a lot more than that in the actual woods
3% of the land in the US is urban. I would bet the percentage in Mississippi is less.
So, go ahead and adjust that 38 per square mile up 3%. I'll wait.
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b) have you ever went extended period after a hurricane? its nto nearly as bad for those that know how to survive
Yep. Also, the whole grid didn't go down just this area.
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C) are you expecting an emp? because if not generators still work. you can still get gas if you have a small dc pump and many have lots of gas stored.
Great for you if you do. Hope no one else knows you do.
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d) freezers will hold for days and you do not have to run the generator all the time to keep it frozen, especially during the winter
Ok, so your scenario depends on it being winter. Great!
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e) not that hard to make a fire to cook and easy to get sticks and wood for most people not in major cities
Ok. Great way to attract attention tho.
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f) not nearly as many people are going to be out trying to kill as you think, nor would nearly as many be out trying to fish and hunt. 75% of the country has no skills to even be able to do that.
But yet everyone on this board has a plan to head to the woods and survive.
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even if it is an emp attack we would have much of the grid back up and running within 8-12 weeks. many that are not city dwelling pussy boys could handle that much easier than you think.
You just said 75% have no skills.
If it got bad, no matter how, it would be horrific. Those people you say have no skills, do you think they would just sit in their homes while their children starved? No, they would move out of the city like swarms of locusts looking for all the OTers that are so prepared. In 99% of the cases there is a road to leads to these so called prepared people. Are people willing to kill others to survive? Do you have the ability to take on 10 or 20 or more? What if it is an extended family member that knows you have something and is pleading for you to share?
No one is prepared for that.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:19 am to rickyh
Eat the cold stuff first
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:20 am to BoogaBear
EMP Shield
Ive thought about purchasing one of these so I could drive to my country place but, dont know if its a scam. Its got a 14 day return but, what are the chances that an EMP strike happens in those 14 days. I could purchase, think everything is going to work, EMP happens and the chit doesnt work. In an EMP scenario, I couldnt call the company and complain, right?
Ive thought about purchasing one of these so I could drive to my country place but, dont know if its a scam. Its got a 14 day return but, what are the chances that an EMP strike happens in those 14 days. I could purchase, think everything is going to work, EMP happens and the chit doesnt work. In an EMP scenario, I couldnt call the company and complain, right?
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:21 am to TigerDeacon
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No, they would move out of the city like swarms of locusts looking for all the OTers that are so prepared.
Bingo. You're just preparing a cache for someone else to take. The violent mobs will take everything you have.
Survival skills are the only thing that will get you through
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:22 am to BoogaBear
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By your logic you believe you need 1,560lbs of meat to make it a year
Most Americans think survival means "how am I going to maintain my current level of comfort."
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:23 am to BoogaBear
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By your logic you believe you need 1,560lbs of meat to make it a year
Nice way to miss the point. Let's say it is one deer a month with your endless supply of potatoes, vegetables and rice. How long do you get to play Snow White with your deer herd?
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:25 am to TigerDeacon
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Ok, so your scenario depends on it being winter. Great!
Your "scenario" seems entirely isolated to where you live, so...
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:27 am to Weekend Warrior79
Fuel will be the issue. No elect gas stations immediately. First option would be to siphon from boats and unused vehicles. Dirty up the fuel injectors and you brick the car. Next option is to tap well heads for gas liquids, without burning yourself up. Old carbureted cars will do better
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:27 am to TigerDeacon
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You just said 75% have no skills.
If it got bad, no matter how, it would be horrific. Those people you say have no skills, do you think they would just sit in their homes while their children starved? No, they would move out of the city like swarms of locusts looking for all the OTers that are so prepared. In 99% of the cases there is a road to leads to these so called prepared people. Are people willing to kill others to survive? Do you have the ability to take on 10 or 20 or more? What if it is an extended family member that knows you have something and is pleading for you to share?
No one is prepared for that.
no most are going to hole up in their house and just starve to death. have you ever been through a bad hurricane? shite happens then
the rest of your shite is dumb. this isnt the movies and outside of the really urban areas there wont be roving gangs. especially none big enough where a couple of guys teamed together with guns cant handle.
and please tell me how is the whole grid going down? what is doing that? an emp burst is only thing that can and we would be back up and running in 8-12 weeks in most areas. some even sooner.
so any scenerio outside of that and the guard is coming in to help and so are outside contractors just like a hurricane.
only other scenerio i can think of would be like the one on the last ship were a really deadly disease comes through. in that case you will have many that are able to have make shift camps etc just like on there.
wont be pretty but it is survivable for many. you will ahve to steel canned goods and other items like pasta and rice to cook.
as far as the freezer comment....have you ever went through a hurricane? or extended power outage? you run the generator for an hour or 2 every day at most and if you have it packed properly it will remain frozen.
i have a feeling you have never been through a hurricane extended outage before. it fricking sucks, but it is 100% doable, especially for 8 weeks or so.
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