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re: When did society start looking down on blue collar jobs?
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:27 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:27 am to RollTide1987
1. Go to college and make 100K sitting at home pecking on a computer in shorts.
2. Go to trade school and make 45K digging other people's shite out of a septic tank when it's 25 degrees outside.
2. Go to trade school and make 45K digging other people's shite out of a septic tank when it's 25 degrees outside.
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:30 am to RollTide1987
Mid-2000s when the every kid needs to go to college push got extreme.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:32 am to RollTide1987
Same time the OT started up
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:35 am to T
You don’t see the truth behind the scene, like a professional tradesman’s bank accounts and assets. Some have an undergrad degree and already worked in their degree field. These individuals may drive older cars, trucks, and wear cheap clothes and flannel shirts. Thats all part of their plan.
trust me
trust me
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:35 am to RollTide1987
I’d love to have a job building things. Sales is soul sucking. Although the money is nice.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:37 am to RollTide1987
The only ones who look down on it are the liberal arts, liberal, book intellectual types. These are the type of people who are too smart for their own good and lack everyday common sense knowledge. Anyone in business or a working professional sees the value and appreciation of blue collar jobs. The intellectual elitists don't.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:37 am to The Torch
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Go to college and make 100K sitting at home pecking on a computer in shorts. 2. Go to trade school and make 45K digging other people's shite out of a septic tank when it's 25 degrees outside.
This total bullshite.
If you are a licensed plumber, electrician, AC repairman, or general contractor you can make way more than some a-hole with a worthless college degree.
Just like in the white collar world if you work hard, learn all you can, have some intelligence you can then own your own company in 8-10 years out of highschool and really do well
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:38 am to RollTide1987
I greatly appreciate the plumber, the electrician, the pest control guy, etc. I remember doing blue collar work.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:40 am to Robin Masters
I’m white collar but the only people I look down upon are lazy people and entitled people (lots of overlap there).
People who want their debt forgiven because their degree is worthless
People who stay on public assistance despite places begging for workers
People who think McDonald’s should be a $20 an hour job.
People like that. Sure as hell not looking down on a plumber.
Go out and get a skill. I don’t care if that’s accounting or bricklaying. No excuse in todays world.
People who want their debt forgiven because their degree is worthless
People who stay on public assistance despite places begging for workers
People who think McDonald’s should be a $20 an hour job.
People like that. Sure as hell not looking down on a plumber.
Go out and get a skill. I don’t care if that’s accounting or bricklaying. No excuse in todays world.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:40 am to RollTide1987
They want you to go to college get in 100s of thousands in debt and indoctrinated into their bullshite ideology.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:42 am to RollTide1987
Women, there is your answer.
Until the late 1970s men made up the majority of the HS teachers in the US.
This has seen a rapid decline.
Women push children who are in HS away from blue collar jobs.
Until the late 1970s men made up the majority of the HS teachers in the US.
This has seen a rapid decline.
Women push children who are in HS away from blue collar jobs.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:43 am to RollTide1987
I don’t think society looks down on blue collar jobs, but the education system certainly fricked up when they decided everyone needed to be prepared for college. Just another example of the gubment trying to force square pegs into round holes. Bring back shop and other trades preparation in high school and be proud of any kid working an honest day for an honest wage.
This post was edited on 1/16/23 at 8:46 am
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:43 am to footswitch
My hvac guy used to be in IT
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:44 am to RollTide1987
Society todays looks down on blue collar or any hard working honest job and glorifies things like whoring yourself out on only fans/social media or acting like a white trash POS on reality tv. The karsdashians are a perfect example.
This post was edited on 1/16/23 at 8:46 am
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:44 am to T
quote:
Mid-2000s when the every kid needs to go to college push got extreme.
I'm a bit older than that and don't remember all of the kids that I graduated with being pressured into college. My grandfather pressured me but plenty of the guys that I graduated with became welders and things like that. Some of them have done quite well for themselves.
This post was edited on 1/16/23 at 8:45 am
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:44 am to RollTide1987
About the same time everyone decided they had to have a McMansion, 2 70k cars,and a pool
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:45 am to RollTide1987
Not uncommon to make close to a $100k pretty quick in many blue collar jobs like plumbing, HVAC, electrical. You can go to trade school or apprentice for little cost and start making money right away vs going to college for 4-8 years before you can make money and having ridiculous debt. Own your own business after 10 years or so and make damn good money while doing mostly office work
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:45 am to RollTide1987
As our economic and social status improved, along with rising intelligence of the population.
Also, you're making a mistake by using skilled trades. The warning was for people in unskilled markets (like low-level manufacturing) because those jobs simply don't exist in any sort of quantity as when this narrative was created.
Now, did we shift too far towards an educated/white collar population? Likely. The demand for the population of lower intelligence who was able to get a degree in a watered-down educational system simply isn't there. Those people should have been focusing more on trades or skilled blue collar jobs.
What this did, also, benefited skilled blue collar jobs by decreasing the supply of workers. This means the value of their hour went up and those in the trades benefited mightily.
The problem with your argument is that if a real homeostasis does develop (fewer educated people and more skilled labor), the salaries of skilled labor will decrease due to increased supply of labor. You can't make the argument from the position of depressed supply (and their corresponding wages) and pretend this would continue with more people working as skilled labor.
Also, you're making a mistake by using skilled trades. The warning was for people in unskilled markets (like low-level manufacturing) because those jobs simply don't exist in any sort of quantity as when this narrative was created.
Now, did we shift too far towards an educated/white collar population? Likely. The demand for the population of lower intelligence who was able to get a degree in a watered-down educational system simply isn't there. Those people should have been focusing more on trades or skilled blue collar jobs.
What this did, also, benefited skilled blue collar jobs by decreasing the supply of workers. This means the value of their hour went up and those in the trades benefited mightily.
The problem with your argument is that if a real homeostasis does develop (fewer educated people and more skilled labor), the salaries of skilled labor will decrease due to increased supply of labor. You can't make the argument from the position of depressed supply (and their corresponding wages) and pretend this would continue with more people working as skilled labor.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:46 am to RollTide1987
Dunno if I am still blue collar or not, but I make much more than the engineers I work for....
As far as the "less technical" aspect, I suggest you dig into construction and inspection codes and tell me there is nothing technical about it.
As far as the "less technical" aspect, I suggest you dig into construction and inspection codes and tell me there is nothing technical about it.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:47 am to madamsquirrel
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hvac
there is a lot of $ to be made in that field because so much of the competition seem to be irresponsible crack heads, but frick a bunch of crawling up into and around attics in the TX summers
I've a good friend here that owns his own business and he makes a real good living but it's physically destroying his body and he rarely takes any time off
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