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Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:49 am to
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
34912 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:49 am to
Genetics are the cause of many things.

Bad genetics combined with shitty parenting is a recipe for a shitty life.

There are always exceptions and outliers.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
74260 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:49 am to
I'll wait on your forced explanation of how my grandfather or great grandfather are the primary influence of my spending habits or other decisions.
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 9:51 am
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85739 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:49 am to
quote:

Genetics are the cause of many things.

Bad genetics combined with shitty parenting is a recipe for a shitty life.


apparently this is a controversial thought around here

Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85739 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:50 am to
quote:

I'll wait on your forced explanation of how my grandfather or great grandfather influenced in any why my spending habits.




I need to know what are you arguing against before we go further

are you arguing

a) genetics plays no part in intelligence/IQ

or

b) intelligence/IQ plays no part in our life choices

thanks
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 9:51 am
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
34912 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:51 am to
Yea, this isn't even controversial. WTF is this dude arguing about?
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36748 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:53 am to
Poor people are poor typically because they are stupid.
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
18914 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:55 am to
People from every socioeconomic class smoke, drink, and do drugs. What type of stupid question is this shite?
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
34912 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:56 am to
And why are they stupid?

Genetics.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85739 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:58 am to
quote:

And why are they stupid?

Genetics.


Let's not ignore how much environment plays a role as well

I'm a believer that our IQ is mostly genetic, but our environment in which we were raised is what allows us to fully access our IQ or not

This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 9:59 am
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
56327 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:59 am to
quote:

genetics plays no part in intelligence/IQ 

I'm more convinced that nature outweighs nurture growing up with fraternal twins for sisters.

One is the image if my our paternal side and the other the image the maternal. Not just looks but life choices. Simple things as fashion, music, colors, social skills, desires and goals.

It really is shocking.
quote:

intelligence/IQ plays no part in our life choices

You can be intelligent and self-destructive.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36748 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:00 am to
:kige:
Posted by Novae
Member since Aug 2005
118 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:01 am to
If you are truly interested in this subject moreso than just spouting off your preconceived notions, check out On Media
's 5-part podcast on poverty. It's a deep dive into the mindset of people who make these types of decisions from their own points of views as well as those of academics. It's a great listen.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36748 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:06 am to
I'm interested, but I still think most poor people are that way because they are stupid. Not necessarily unintelligent, because I believe intelligence is mostly genetic and as long as you have the ability to learn you can be successful. But, rather their minds have been shaped by their environment, and they are prone to instant gratification, rather than thinking long term.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83890 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:07 am to
Drugs are fun
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
56327 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:11 am to
quote:

I'm interested, but I still think most poor people are that way because they are stupid. Not necessarily unintelligent, because I believe intelligence is mostly genetic and as long as you have the ability to learn you can be successful. 

Success is subjective and relative.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36748 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:21 am to
quote:

Success is subjective and relative.

In this context I'm obviously defining success by not being a fricking poor.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
56327 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:24 am to
Still applies.

You are still passing that judgement on personal beliefs that being poor means not successful.
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
29578 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:24 am to
quote:

Because generally speaking, poverty is a choice in the United States.

Generational poverty is a lifestyle.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
61441 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:27 am to
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36748 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:31 am to
quote:

Still applies.

You are still passing that judgement on personal beliefs that being poor means not successful.

Okay, if you're going to be dense maybe I should have said, "as long as you have the ability to learn you shouldn't be a fricking poor."

Is that better?
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