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re: Would you fire an employee purposely clocking in five minutes early?
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:15 am to wazoo11
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:15 am to wazoo11
Are you using an analogue punch card system?
Most HR software allows management to set parameters on how earlier or how late n associate can clock in without accruing points.
Get with the program baw.
Most HR software allows management to set parameters on how earlier or how late n associate can clock in without accruing points.
Get with the program baw.
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Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:16 am to cajunTiger22
quote:That shite can get your company in trouble though.
I don't pay my employees until their shift starts unless their supervisor says starting early is ok.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:18 am to PearlJam
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If you are firing a potentially protected employee for arriving five minutes early, your reason for firing is going to appear to be a pretext unless there are well documented efforts to retrain employee.
You're not firing them for working early. You're firing them for skating the clock. All you have to do is document the time theft.
I've seen termination discrimination suits brought even in the case of large scale embezzlement. You can't stop what a lawyer will try to do, even if it's stupid, but there is little to no chance they will win.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:19 am to wazoo11
If they are there and are starting to work they should clock in. I've never heard of this being an issue.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:20 am to Evolved Simian
quote:To be fair, what the OP described is not time theft. But it is a case of not adhering to policies that could result in unauthorized overtime.
You're not firing them for working early. You're firing them for skating the clock. All you have to do is document the time theft.
But it's not time theft. Time theft is what we're all doing now posting about this on a message board while at work.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:21 am to shel311
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I don't pay my employees until their shift starts unless their supervisor says starting early is ok.
That shite can get your company in trouble though.
This is the truth. It's best to pay out even the stolen time on their paychecks, even the last one. You NEVER want to get into a situation where you're accused of altering time inappropriately. It's better to take the financial loss and cover that base. JMHO on that one.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:21 am to MLCLyons
quote:If it's shift work or he's absolutely needed at his station until a certain time, it's an issue where he's getting 5 extra minutes of work unauthorized.
If they are there and are starting to work they should clock in. I've never heard of this being an issue.
Keeping payroll down is important.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:22 am to Evolved Simian
quote:Exactly
This is the truth. It's best to pay out even the stolen time on their paychecks, even the last one. You NEVER want to get into a situation where you're accused of altering time inappropriately. It's better to take the financial loss and cover that base. JMHO on that one.
You can and should have policies in place where you can discipline up to termination for working while unauthorized but it's definitely worth it to just pay them for what they actually did work, even if it was unauthorized.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:25 am to wazoo11
The support staff where I used to work were on the clock. The clock was in 15 minute increments. 7 minutes past the last increment and you got the last time. So if you clocked out at 3:37, you were out at 3:30. So everyone clocked out at 3:38 and got the extra 7 minutes.
Clocking in, everyone hit the clock at 7:37, and got 7:30, stealing another 7 minutes.
They would hover around the thing when it was time to clock out.
Clocking in, everyone hit the clock at 7:37, and got 7:30, stealing another 7 minutes.
They would hover around the thing when it was time to clock out.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:25 am to shel311
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But it's not time theft.
It is if he's skating the clock.
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Time theft is what we're all doing now posting about this on a message board while at work.
Most of the OT are exempt employees (or claim to be). The work is goal or project oriented and not hourly sensitive, and they are paid accordingly. Now, if some of our attorneys are posting and billing out time for it, that's another matter.
Some of us get a free pass, regardless, since we're not at work today, though.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:26 am to shel311
quote:a-hole
Time theft is what we're all doing now posting about this on a message board while at work.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:27 am to wazoo11
Wow.. what a petty prick of a boss you must be.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:28 am to tigerfoot
quote:That's how it is for non-exempt folks at the company I work for.
The support staff where I used to work were on the clock. The clock was in 15 minute increments. 7 minutes past the last increment and you got the last time. So if you clocked out at 3:37, you were out at 3:30. So everyone clocked out at 3:38 and got the extra 7 minutes.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:29 am to Landmass
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5 minutes early should be considered "on time."
If you aren't early, you're late
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:29 am to Evolved Simian
quote:I think the OP replied stating the person was working that extra 5 minutes he showed up early for.
It is if he's skating the clock.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:30 am to tigerfoot
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The support staff where I used to work were on the clock. The clock was in 15 minute increments. 7 minutes past the last increment and you got the last time. So if you clocked out at 3:37, you were out at 3:30. So everyone clocked out at 3:38 and got the extra 7 minutes.
Clocking in, everyone hit the clock at 7:37, and got 7:30, stealing another 7 minutes.
They would hover around the thing when it was time to clock out.
I have seen the exact same thing, years back, in an office environment. Every single employee would clock in 1 click early and out 1 click late. No work was done, but they all got the extra 30 minutes.
I know the DOL Wage and Hour gudelines still allow rounding up to the quarter hour, but in today's computerized workplaces, it really should be the exception rather than the rule. Almost no one in the US still does manual time calculation. Everything is computerized and can be exact to the minute.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:32 am to shel311
If they just stand around sure, but in my experience, if you're at work someones going to question why youre standing around and give you some task.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:33 am to shel311
Clocking in early and working during that time is perfectly ok.
Having another employee punch the clock for you 5 minutes before you arrive should be a fireable offense.
Clocking in early and getting overtime (i.e. they have to stay at their station until a certain time) should get warnings.
Having another employee punch the clock for you 5 minutes before you arrive should be a fireable offense.
Clocking in early and getting overtime (i.e. they have to stay at their station until a certain time) should get warnings.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:33 am to Evolved Simian
quote:Which will look like a pretext if you are firing Bob the 5 time workers comp claimant, or Kevin the minority that claims you made racially incentive comments about him, or Barry the 59 year old that claims you referred to him as old man River to everyone else in the workplace, or Jim the whistleblower, etc.
You're not firing them for working early. You're firing them for skating the clock.
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