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re: How is it possible to ski with a torn ACL?
Posted on 2/8/26 at 9:19 am to Cowboyfan89
Posted on 2/8/26 at 9:19 am to Cowboyfan89
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So it seems like all of this "she shouldn't have competed" nonsense is based more in vitriol for the person than a knowledge of the sport.
Yep. It's pathetic how many lard-asses and mouthbreathers on social media this morning are suddenly skiing and orthopedic experts.
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Posted on 2/8/26 at 9:32 am to Cowboyfan89
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she competed with a torn ACL without even knowing it back in the early 2010s
So when she was in her 20s? Got it. It’s one thing to compete on a torn ACL in the prime of your life. It’s quite another to do so when you’re over halfway through your life expectancy.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 9:33 am to RollTide1987
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So when she was in her 20s? Got it. It’s one thing to compete on a torn ACL in the prime of your life. It’s quite another to do so when you’re over halfway through your life expectancy.
True.
Regardless, no one that seems to know anything about that specific event/sport seems to think the ACL was the issue here--only armchair skiers.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 10:20 am to RollTide1987
What sports have you competed in and to what level?
Posted on 2/8/26 at 10:35 am to Pedro
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What sports have you competed in and to what level?
I’ve done football, soccer, track & field, baseball, and basketball - all at various levels. Health science and sports science are the same for an eight-year-old as it is for a 41-year-old. The older you are, the more difficult it is to compete with an injury and the higher likelihood of further injury.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 10:48 am to RollTide1987
The other way she screwed everyone else over today wasn't really talked about on the broadcast. It took them so long to get her off the mountain, the course changed significantly during that time. If you were watching the leader skied the first section of the course slower and almost everyone was going faster than she did in that first section. However, after Vaughn's crash, nobody did. They said it was close to freezing today and as snow warms up it gets slower (due to increased moisture content in the snow acting like a "suction"). I've experiened it many times. It was just 30 mins, but the course changed enough in tht time, nobody that went after her had a realistic chance of skiing faster.
ETA: They have wax and ski prep techniques to deal with that, but they didn't anticipate what the snow conditions would be due to the delay.
ETA: They have wax and ski prep techniques to deal with that, but they didn't anticipate what the snow conditions would be due to the delay.
This post was edited on 2/8/26 at 10:50 am
Posted on 2/8/26 at 10:54 am to RollTide1987
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So when she was in her 20s? Got it. It’s one thing to compete on a torn ACL in the prime of your life. It’s quite another to do so when you’re over halfway through your life expectancy.
And? She’s a world class athlete. And from what I’ve read, pro skiers have some of the strongest quads sport for sport on the planet.
She likely ran a battery of tests and thought the margins of asymmetry were enough to give it a go.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 10:56 am to Lonnie Utah
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The other way she screwed everyone else over today wasn't really talked about on the broadcast
Dumbass comment. Crashed happen all the time. Rarely do conditions seem to be the exact same with these events. Thats the nature of the sport. Wind, sun, etc is constantly changing.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 11:32 am to GalacticaCannon
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Dumbass comment
Yeah, I only skied/taught professionaly for close 20 years. I can tell you that in the high mountains 30 mins is MORE than enough time for snow conditions to change enough to make a difference to the skiers that have to ski after. It depends on aspect, temeperate and time of day. The weather was warm and sunny. I've had runs where you had great snow the first trip down and by the time you ski down, ride the chair back up and ski down again, it was terrible. Remember, we're tallking 1/10's to 1/100's of seconds here.
Also, there's a difference in a crash where a skier wipes out, gets up and skis down. You're right. Those do happen all the time. But that's totally different than having to package up a patient for a helicopter ride.
But don't trust my decades of experience.....
This post was edited on 2/8/26 at 11:39 am
Posted on 2/8/26 at 11:35 am to Cowboyfan89
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Posted on 2/8/26 at 11:39 am to Lonnie Utah
You seem to be clueless as to the reason I’m calling you a dumbass and it’s not your claimed experience.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 11:39 am to GalacticaCannon
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You seem to be clueless as to the reason I’m calling you a dumbass and it’s not your claimed experience.
Simple quesion: Do you have any direct experince with ski racing?
Posted on 2/8/26 at 11:50 am to Lonnie Utah
No. But I do treat ACL patients.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 11:51 am to dirtsandwich
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It looked like she tried to turn sideways in the air to stop or something. Very odd.
I saw it. Looked like a work. She caught air then turned her body to the right for no reason. Maybe she knew the landing wasn’t going to work and decided to dump. No sure why, but it looked like she intentionally bailed.
ETA: Now I see the gate caught her right arm/ pole. That’s some shitty luck. Still not smart to ski without an ACL that might have given her that little extra control to not clip the gate. Hope she’s not permanently injured.
This post was edited on 2/8/26 at 11:58 am
Posted on 2/8/26 at 11:52 am to GalacticaCannon
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No. But I do treat ACL patients.
Ok, you do the doctor stuff. I'll do the snow/skiing stuff.
I'm telling you. 30 mins is more than enough time for the snow to change costing other racers a change.
Here are the results sorted by Bib number (start order). Notice the major drop off and crashes in the back half of the field. Vauhgn was #13.
This post was edited on 2/8/26 at 11:58 am
Posted on 2/8/26 at 11:57 am to Lonnie Utah
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Ok, you do the doctor stuff. I'll do the snow/skiing stuff. I'm telling you. 30 mins is more than enough time for the snow to change costing other racers a change.
Crashes aren’t uncommon on these higher end tracks and in these high level competitions.
Healthy skiers crash as well, especially when pushing the limit of competition (like one would do at the Olympics).
It feels like blaming her for others not being able to compete as well because she crashed (and it took time to clear the crash) seems like a big stretch. Especially when you consider all of the variables that can change course conditions.
This post was edited on 2/8/26 at 11:58 am
Posted on 2/8/26 at 11:59 am to BluegrassBelle
She hooked a gate. That just means she was cutting it as close as she could. However, she had gotten way to wide and low on the previous gate and it likely put her off line for the gate she hooked.
This post was edited on 2/8/26 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 2/8/26 at 12:02 pm to Lonnie Utah
I mean from what I’ve seen of her racing that’s pretty much her MO, pushing the limit of the line (all gas, no breaks). A healthy her likely has the same crash.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 12:13 pm to BluegrassBelle
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I mean from what I’ve seen of her racing that’s pretty much her MO, pushing the limit of the line (all gas, no breaks). A healthy her likely has the same crash.
Maybe, we'll never know. Just telling you what I saw. The turn she was late on was a left hand compression turn. It's those types of turns where the G forces are the greatest. Did her injury effect her strength and ability to hold and edge and manage pressure? I don't know. Then, the turn where she lost it was an uphill right hander where the terrain falls away to the outside of the turn. We call it a off camber turn. Normally most of the pressure is on the outside ski. I this type of turn/transition, the skis are more equally weighted. Additionally in this type of terrain, the skis become unweighted/really light and the turn becomes very difficult You can impart turning/rotational forces to the skis, but without firm contact with the snow, redirecting your skis does very little (or nothing) for helping you change direction. You can see it in the photos, her legs get our from under her and in the air. I used to tell my students it's easy for you to turn your skis while they are in the air, but it's difficult for them to turn YOU. Once her skis left the ground there was no way for her to avoid hooking the gate.
This post was edited on 2/8/26 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 2/8/26 at 12:34 pm to BluegrassBelle
Yea the fact she had one working leg had nothing to do with it I’m sure. The fact that this could happen is an embarrassment to our country. I don’t even blame her I blame all of the people who should have been there to stop this from happening and didn’t. I assume it was the money/TV people. She is a victim of their greed and stupidity if ask me. She shouldn’t have done it but she’s an athlete I get it. She needed people around her to protect her from herself.
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