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re: 25-06 no entry or exit wounds
Posted on 11/18/24 at 11:35 am to AlxTgr
Posted on 11/18/24 at 11:35 am to AlxTgr
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Tracking a deer after a perfect rifle shot? I've never had to do it
I guess you’re just better than me?
I’ve killed a deer with a bow once that I didn’t have to track. And not a spine shot or anything like that. I’ve shot deer with 270’s, 30-30’s and 7 mags in the shoulders, heart and lungs. Some of them ran, some of them didn’t. I guess they just don’t like me.
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 11:35 am to Success
I have shot plenty over the last 20 years with my .25-06 Remington Model 700 using Federal Premium BTSP ammo and have had no trouble with blood trails or losing deer. It usually punches through the ribs and the deer goes less than 100 yards with plenty blood.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 11:48 am to upgrade
quote:I doubt our abilities have anything to do with it.
I guess you’re just better than me?
quote:Oh, many of mine ran with a rifle shot, but there was never a need for tracking. Most of my bow kills required at least some tracking, but not all.
I’ve shot deer with 270’s, 30-30’s and 7 mags in the shoulders, heart and lungs. Some of them ran, some of them didn’t. I guess they just don’t like me.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 12:13 pm to bigbuckdj
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It’s a conundrum I’m dealing with now. Really destructive bullets liquify the chest, only exit about half the time, and don’t leave much blood occasionally. But the deer is always dead 0-40 yards away from the shot. It’s annoying but I haven’t lost a deer yet because of it.
Bullets that exit reliably like a monolithic bullet need a lot more horsepower to do a similar amount of damage to a unbonded cup and core bullet. I don’t shoot a 30-06 near as well as I can shoot a 243 or 6.5 manbun. It’s a tough choice, but I’m often reminded that shot placement is king.
Shot placement also depends on where you are trying to shoot them.
Again, if you shoot them high lungs or in the spine area that's high, as in much higher and you miss high. I'm not saying its a bad shot, I'm saying its high.
I've heard of guys shooting something like a .22-250 to the neck for doe hunting under 100 yards, no meat loss and it drops them dead.
If you want blood to follow, then you should shoot them around the heart area. NOT HIGH by the spine. People aim center mass and often times high on a deer because, frankly, they are either lazy aiming or missed where they were aiming. If you want a blood trail a blind man can follow, shoot them low in the heart and get a pass through. If you want to drop them in the tracks, shoot them higher by the spine and knock them down. I'm not suggesting which is better at all, I'm saying shot location matters more than most think.
Archery shots can have fantastic blood because often times from a treestand with the high angles at 50 yard and under shots the arrow exits low on a passthrough and so the blood pumps out the exit. But I've had great blood just on an entrance wound and no pass through also.
I find that most guys will aim right where the "lungs" icon points. Follow the front leg up and mid center mass. That's fine, nothing wrong at all. But miss a little high, and that's why you get very little blood.
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 11/18/24 at 12:13 pm to AlxTgr
I appreciate the conversations about this. Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% happy with the results. Love when they drop dead!
I plan to weigh the bullet tonight but it appears to have preformed well. Curious how much retained.
The heart, one lung, and rest of organs were intact. The damage was the partial spine hit and lung. Might be the first deer in years I didn't lose any major meat.
It was a BB which we are not supposed to shoot on our lease. But my son has been after a deer for 4 years now. He's missed a few times due to pulling up on the stock in anticipation of the recoil. We've worked on him placing his left hand on top of the gun to prevent that and he has done better on target. Myself and the other members were very happy for him to get one. However, he did lose his ability to shoot his doe. Rules are rules. Ill let him shoot all my deer. I could care less.
I plan to weigh the bullet tonight but it appears to have preformed well. Curious how much retained.
The heart, one lung, and rest of organs were intact. The damage was the partial spine hit and lung. Might be the first deer in years I didn't lose any major meat.
It was a BB which we are not supposed to shoot on our lease. But my son has been after a deer for 4 years now. He's missed a few times due to pulling up on the stock in anticipation of the recoil. We've worked on him placing his left hand on top of the gun to prevent that and he has done better on target. Myself and the other members were very happy for him to get one. However, he did lose his ability to shoot his doe. Rules are rules. Ill let him shoot all my deer. I could care less.
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 11/18/24 at 12:33 pm to Success
Rules are rules, no doubt
BUT there should never be any sort of penalty for a kid shooting his first deer. button buck, doe, 140" buck. Doesn't matter
BUT there should never be any sort of penalty for a kid shooting his first deer. button buck, doe, 140" buck. Doesn't matter
Posted on 11/18/24 at 12:38 pm to Success
Basically you have to decide what you want out of your bullets.
If you want pass through (blood trail) you will need to find a bullet that will do that in the fast and flat .25-06. Nosler partitions, Barnes TSX or TTSX would be where I'd start or go up to a .30 caliber like the .308 or .30-06
My son who has always had bullets that were pass through (which is what I want with my bullets) was with a friend last weekend hunting. He didn't have his gun and used his friends (he's at college).
He shot a nice buck (really old) and the deer ran off. He was pretty confident he hit it as it kicked, then ran off. No hair or blood. I asked what he was using and it was a ballistic tip. Told him the bullet likely didn't pass through and the need to start circling the area. Finally found it. A grizzled old 6pt. No pass through.
If you want pass through (blood trail) you will need to find a bullet that will do that in the fast and flat .25-06. Nosler partitions, Barnes TSX or TTSX would be where I'd start or go up to a .30 caliber like the .308 or .30-06
My son who has always had bullets that were pass through (which is what I want with my bullets) was with a friend last weekend hunting. He didn't have his gun and used his friends (he's at college).
He shot a nice buck (really old) and the deer ran off. He was pretty confident he hit it as it kicked, then ran off. No hair or blood. I asked what he was using and it was a ballistic tip. Told him the bullet likely didn't pass through and the need to start circling the area. Finally found it. A grizzled old 6pt. No pass through.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 12:44 pm to baldona
I agree with a lot of what you have typed there for a bow kill. For a rifle, deer that take a ballistic tip to the heart don’t have anything to pump.
If the bullet doesnt exit, you have gravity pulling liquified organ/chest smoothie out of a .2-.3” hole while the deer covers 0 to 40 yards in 3 seconds, it just doesn’t produce much blood on the ground.
If the bullet doesnt exit, you have gravity pulling liquified organ/chest smoothie out of a .2-.3” hole while the deer covers 0 to 40 yards in 3 seconds, it just doesn’t produce much blood on the ground.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 1:10 pm to Success
These threads are always very interesting to me. I’d love to see a sticky’d thread similar to the IST but with cartridge, bullet, range, and results.
Side note, I’ve got a bunch of 25-06 interlocks for sale if anyone is interested.
Side note, I’ve got a bunch of 25-06 interlocks for sale if anyone is interested.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 1:11 pm to bbvdd
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Basically you have to decide what you want out of your bullets. If you want pass through (blood trail) you will need to find a bullet that will do that in the fast and flat .25-06. Nosler partitions, Barnes TSX or TTSX would be where I'd start or go up to a .30 caliber like the .308 or .30-06
Exactly this. It’s all about what you want.
The copper monos and other high weight retention bullets will almost always exit and there will be no meat loss, caliber and velocity matters more there because the bullet will stay mostly in tact and not detonate/create much for secondary wounds.
For cup and core, non bonded bullets. It seems from .22 to .30 they just turn everything to soup. The animals die very quickly. The meat loss can be tremendous if you hit the shoulders. And the blood trails range from literally nothing to Texas chainsaw massacre depending on angle and exit.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 1:11 pm to Success
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I could care less.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 1:12 pm to Theduckhunter
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These threads are always very interesting to me. I’d love to see a sticky’d thread similar to the IST but with cartridge, bullet, range, and results.
I was just thinking we need a terminal performance thread.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 1:24 pm to bbvdd
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He shot a nice buck (really old) and the deer ran off. He was pretty confident he hit it as it kicked, then ran off. No hair or blood. I asked what he was using and it was a ballistic tip. Told him the bullet likely didn't pass through and the need to start circling the area. Finally found it. A grizzled old 6pt. No pass through.
I don't have a huge sample size, but I've never failed to get an exit from a ballistic tip (obviously it happens). I don't push them very hard though. Two so far this year, a pronghorn with a 140gr at about 250 yards and my son shot a doe a couple weeks ago with one, 100gr started at about 2245fps. blood and chunks of lung everywhere, maybe the best/heaviest blood "trail" I've ever seen. I put trail in quotes 'cause she ran 10-20 yards, crashed into a fence and then flipped over to die so not exactly the longest sample. That said I wouldn't use one on an elk hunt unless I didn't have a choice.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 1:39 pm to ccard257
I shot one last week with a 250 grain ballistic tipped 20 ga slug. Took out the connection of the right atria and ventricle and exited through the offside scapula.
It still managed to run about 100 yards.
It still managed to run about 100 yards.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 1:51 pm to smoked hog
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Took out the connection of the right atria and ventricle and exited through the offside scapula.
Nerd
Posted on 11/18/24 at 2:17 pm to Success
Posted on 11/18/24 at 2:24 pm to Success
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How do you explain this?
1/4" bullet going really really fast.
Hide is the toughest part of a deer and if you hit it exactly square, you get a hole exactly the same size as the bullet. Sometimes they just don't bleed much / any from it. Have had trouble finding the entrance hole on lots of deer before peeling the hide off. It happens.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 3:39 pm to AlxTgr
I'm a Vet. When people called suspecting GSW on dead cows they found I often had to skin them to find the entry wound. It's easy to see on the inside.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 3:49 pm to Success
25-06 - no entry or exit wounds.
Where I come from, that's usually a miss.
Where I come from, that's usually a miss.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 4:10 pm to Success
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It was a BB which we are not supposed to shoot on our lease. But my son has been after a deer for 4 years now.
Nothing wrong with him shooting that as his first deer. Don't let anyone tell him different. I let my oldest shoot what he wanted and as he gotten old her has gotten more selective. He killed that 8 point Saturday and he even discussed he wanted to hunt for bigger deer now.
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