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re: Blue wave, or not?

Posted on 10/30/18 at 4:24 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
136566 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 4:24 am to
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The board, of course, seems to think that Republicans will keep both.
If hope is an opinion, you're probably right. Keeping both would certainly kick the markets out of this lull. But Repubs keeping the House would be a huge upset. It would set the Dems up for potential catastrophe in 2020.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
10678 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 4:25 am to
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I’m as interested in socialism as I am a second Trump term.


Cool. Can you set the rest of your party straight and get them to not vote for the socialist idiots? Y'all kick the socialists/communists out, we'll continue keeping the neo-nazis from gaining a foothold. Win-win for everyone.
Posted by FightnBobLafollette
Member since Oct 2017
12204 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 4:28 am to
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Let's see . . . Claiming a "Blue Wave" was coming. The Senate was going to flip. Texas was turning blue. That would have been a blue wave indeed. However, in contrasting reality, Dems appear set to not only underperform those lofty "Blue Wave" expectations, but to massively underperform normal midterm results.

. . . . and you're calling citation of those facts a "hedge"?
You are a real clown show my man.


The percentage of people saying the senate and Texas were going blue is extremely small.

The blue wave was about winning more elections. Taking back seats. Winning the house.

You know it. But instead you are now defining what s blue wave is and then saying if Dems don’t meet your standard it ain’t a blue wave.

Let’s review. Homesick said unless they win both houses it isn’t a blue wave. I said nice hedge.

He then said he was effin w me. Therefore his original post wasn’t even genuine. So, he didn’t really believe and was effin w me....which is a hedge against his original statement.

Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
56137 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 4:34 am to
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He then said he was effin w me.


It was a subliminal message that you're not the sharpest tool in the shed. I'll try to be more direct next time to clarify my posts.

I apologize for the ambiguity.
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
9995 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 4:36 am to
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I’m very comfortable in saying that Democrats will absolutely take the House. I’d bet more or less anything on it. 


I wouldn't bet the house on that. It will be the narrowest of margins either way.
Posted by FightnBobLafollette
Member since Oct 2017
12204 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 4:48 am to
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It was a subliminal message that you're not the sharpest tool in the shed. I'll try to be more direct next time to clarify my posts. I apologize for the ambiguity.


First, you don’t know what subliminal means.

Second, I got your meaning. What part of effin don’t you understand. And I’m not the sharpest tool. Lol

Again, your comment just makes my point about hedging. Thank you. Again
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
142289 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 4:56 am to
GoP will pick up 4 to 5 seats in Senste.

House is going to be very very close. But at the end of the day, Pelosi gets the gavel and the real witch hunt will begin.

Best thing you can do is get out and vote.
Posted by FT
REDACTED
Member since Oct 2003
26925 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 4:59 am to
Yep. There’s a middle ground where an adult runs the country.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
142289 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 5:00 am to
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The blue wave was about winning more elections. Taking back seats. Winning the house.


The Blue Wave was not only about retaking both houses, but winning governor races and performing at a similar level to the losses Obama suffered during his first round of mid-terms.

The DNC won’t win over 50 seats like the Tea Party did.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
136566 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 5:02 am to
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The percentage of people saying the senate and Texas were going blue is extremely small.
Dude, money talks. bullshite walks.
Your man Beta O'Rourke has been given $70Million by folks who obviously beg to differ with your revisionism. Folks who obviously differ with your revisionism, and put their money where their mouth is.

Hell, in Texas through early October, the MSM was even touting O'Rourke as a potential POTUS contender in the near future. After all, he had all the traits of the Kennedys. John's good looks. Bobby's turn-of-a-phrase. Joe's corruption. Ted's drinking and driving habits. O'Rourke was the whole package.

Now? . . . . well . . . . . they've hedged. They've revised. They've denied ever saying things they said. They've denied ever making claims they made.

. . . . and here you are, right there with them.

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Poll: Beto O'Rourke leads Cruz by 2 points in Texas Senate race ...
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Sep 19, 2018 - The Reuters–Ipsos–University of Virginia Center for Politics poll released on Wednesday found that 47 percent of voters said they favored O'Rourke, while 45 percent said they favored Cruz. ... O'Rourke, who has gathered a national following in the race, has boosted Democratic ...

Beto O'Rourke could lead a blue wave in Texas — even if he loses his ...
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Sep 21, 2018 - There's a real possibility that Democrat Beto O'Rourke could unseat Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz in November. In two separate polls this past ...

Beto O'Rourke leads Ted Cruz by 2 among likely ... - The Texas Tribune
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Sep 19, 2018 - O’Rourke has been closing the gap over the last several months, but this is the first poll that puts him ahead of Cruz. ...
U.S. Rep. Beto O’Rourke, D-El Paso, leads Republican incumbent Ted Cruz by 2 percentage points among likely voters, according to an Ipsos online poll ...

Texas Senate contest nearly a dead heat: Ted Cruz leads Beto O ...
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Aug 1, 2018 - Two polls show a tight race for Senate in Texas, with Beto O'Rourke closing in on Ted Cruz.

Beto O'Rourke leads Ted Cruz in Texas Senate race: Poll ...
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Sep 19, 2018 - Democratic Rep. Beto O'Rourke has taken the lead in the Texas Senate race in a new poll, countering other surveys that had shown Sen. Ted Cruz up by a ...
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Here’s the thing, though: Before this was a red state, it was a blue state — with purple splotches.

U.S. Sen. John Tower and Gov. Bill Clements busted through long before any other Republicans, but they were exceptions. Scandals (and a lot of business money) began knocking Democrats off of the Texas Supreme Court. Phil Gramm was a Democrat in Congress before he switched parties and won a U.S. Senate seat. Democrats remained dominant. Kay Bailey Hutchison, running for state treasurer, and Rick Perry, another party-switcher running for agriculture commissioner, broke through in 1990 as Republicans, when Democrats were winning everything but Gramm’s seat and the courts.

Hutchison won a special election for U.S. Senate. Then George W. Bush beat Ann Richards in a year when the Democrats were still winning most of the statewide, congressional and legislative races. But the purple was seeping: Democrat Martha Whitehead won the treasury seat, but by fewer than 25,000 out of 4.1 million votes. Railroad Commissioner Jim Nugent, a Democrat, was nudged aside by Republican Charles Matthews — by fewer than 70,000 votes.

The Republicans haven’t lost a statewide race since then, but some of those early victories were nail-biters. Bush won by 37 percentage points in 1998, but in the next race on the ballot, Perry beat Democrat John Sharp in 1998 by fewer than 2 percentage points.

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Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
142289 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 5:04 am to
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Ted's drinking and driving habits.


Posted by TuneInnTiger
Member since Apr 2017
53 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 5:08 am to
Your so called “blue wave” has more to do with retirements and Pennsylvania courts re-drawing the district lines than some liberal philosophical revolution.

Those two factors alone account for a lot of the Democrat pickup opportunities. Add in natural attrition from party in control and that’s enough alone to flipping the House.

I will say last week Republican internals for a few key races across the country were the highest they have been. Now we have to see what impact last week’s events have on the numbers - if any.

A lot of these races Charlie Cook has listed as lean democrat and refuses to change the designation because it’s all about helping Dems fundraise and dry up Republican money. Shocking that pollsters are political, I know.

I think right now is still a coin flip. Dems will need to net 25. Right now they are at around 18 and will have to win 7 or more of the 20 seats in play.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
136566 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 5:11 am to
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Let’s review. Homesick said unless they win both houses it isn’t a blue wave.
Homesick was 100% correct.
His post really is not even debatable.

As already stated, a Blue Wave would need to exceed historical norms. That includes a normal 4 seat loss in the Senate. Even Dems underperforming the norm by 25% would flip the Senate. So Homesick is spot on. Any Blue Wave would indeed flip the Senate..

Under no circumstances would it entail GOP gains in the Upper House.
This post was edited on 10/30/18 at 5:27 am
Posted by BRTigerDad
Member since Oct 2018
118 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 6:02 am to
Yes of course the House is going to flip to the Democrats. Thank God.

Whether you want to call that a "blue wave" is mere semantics, and I really don't care what you call it.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
58168 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 6:10 am to
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Tell that to the Tea Party. They won the House is 2010 but couldn’t win the Senate. That was absolutely seen as a red wave.


You are in the compromising stage of grief. It’s a process man. Let it happen.

There is no blue wave. It’s time to move on to acceptance, friend.
This post was edited on 10/30/18 at 6:12 am
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
27247 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 6:27 am to
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Yes it is.


Waves hit everything, the dems picking up the house by a few seats considering how midterms generally go is weak.
Posted by BHTiger
Charleston
Member since Dec 2017
8755 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 6:31 am to
Wasnt that election that like 63 seats in the house and 6 in the senate?..plus a bunch of governor's as well..

That is a freaking wave.
Posted by Perfect Circle
S W Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
7817 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 6:32 am to
I'll bet you felt the same way 11/7/16. Hope your confidence isn't coming from polls.
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22628 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 6:39 am to
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The board, of course, seems to think that Republicans will keep both.

Simply not true. Your reading retention needs to improve. Now, just stop it.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49318 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 6:45 am to
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Tell that to the Tea Party. They won the House is 2010 but couldn’t win the Senate.

That was absolutely seen as a red wave.


There is a difference though. In 2010, while the GOP did not get a majority, they picked up a net of six seats in the Senate. It’s looking like the DNC will actually lose seats this go around.
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