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re: BOOM, New Climate Data Rigging Scandal Rocks US Govt.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:05 am to olgoi khorkhoi
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:05 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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Data from Nasa and Cern should have been a death knell and yet they press on. The emails admitting the hoax should have been the death knell but here we are facing executive orders on GW. Hell, the fact that we went from global cooling, to global warming, to climate change should have been the death knell.
It's not as if we have never had people warning society that the sky was falling in order to sell them a product, service, or political idology.
It's the same kind of fear mongering that pushes people to stock up on ammo, buy gold, install a bunker stocked with food, or purchase insurance policies that they do not need. Like predictions on the future of the economy, there are well researched opinions that back all sorts of different outcomes.
They lost me when they tried to push a political agenda on us, and people started selling products designed to reduce your "carbon footprint", or when large private companies that sell substitute products to coal started funding major climate change studies. I believe that climate changes, but I don't believe that anything humans do can have anything but a nominal impact on the global climate. I'd rather focus the effort and outrage on carcinogens and harmful pollution that impacts our water and air.
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Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:18 am to Ace Midnight
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Fossil fuels will be burned until they are exhausted - if not by us - by China, India, Russia. Carbon Dioxide is not a pollutant. I'm not a child - I recognize that man has extreme effects on the environment, particularly urban development, highly dense populations, our waste, etc.
But, we're talking about a few tenths of a degree - based on actual temperature records that are statistically zero - from the mid-19th century to now would represent 1 point on a graph for anything meaningful. I refuse to accept that we have to take draconian measures and return to the stone age, starving billions of people along the way, merely to avoid this few tenths change, that absolutely will reverse at some point and have a cooling trend.
The Sun is 99% of the mass of the solar system and the only appreciable source of energy - its cycle is far more determinative of surface temperatures on this planet than any sort of distribution of trace elements in the atmosphere.
PARTICULARLY, when only the West is even being asked to do anything about it - I see this for what it is and why the powers-that-be pursue this, but I do not concur.
awful lot of reasonableness in this....bottom line is that we have no idea what has caused the warming..could be CO2, could be the sun, could be volcanic activity.
what we do know is that small changes in U.S. CO2 emissions are MINUSCULE relative to world production, which is minuscule relative to natural production...AND CO2 is a minuscule part of the atmosphere..
Of the 186 billion tons of carbon from CO2 that enter earth's atmosphere each year from all sources, only 6 billion tons are from human activity. Approximately 90 billion tons come from biologic activity in earth's oceans and another 90 billion tons from such sources as volcanoes and decaying land plants.
At 380 parts per million CO2 is a minor constituent of earth's atmosphere-- less than 4/100ths of 1% of all gases present.
The global warming movement is much more about anti-capitalism and anti-1%ing than about saving the earth...it's more about liberals/statists using it as an excuse to exert control over the economy and the political system.
Evidence that he earth is warmer is substantial and probably correct IMO, but evidence that it is cause by human activity is VERY weak and the alternative, going back to the stone age is a much worse alternative than continuing on the track we're on.
Pollution is a completely different matter, but CO2 is NOT a pollutant.
Is it possible that human activity is the primary cause, yes, but it certainly has not been proven to the point we should shut down our industrial economy, which at this time is the only possible solution if it is the cause.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:22 am to Ole War Skule
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Pollution is a completely different matter, but CO2 is NOT a pollutant.
This is lost on a lot of people. SpideyTube will be on here asking you why you want to use the earth as your personal dumping ground any momment.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:29 am to Vegas Bengal
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In other news... a survey of Catholic priest revealed 99.8% of them believed in God. Thus, it is proven that God exists.
You're actually comparing the beliefs of priests and the findings of scientists?
I guess you're right. Scientists are always correct when 97% of them (which isn't accurate in man causing global warming doctrine) agree on something.
It was a generation ago that we were going back to the ice age according to them due to man's pollution. Everyone was CERTAIN that man's activity was causing global cooling. But they have it right this time 'cause we have all these big computers and stuff. Blind faith in current scientific belief is not much different than blind faith in God.
We get a new health directive every week from scientists. Fats bad. Fats good. Food pyramid. Wine good. Wine bad. Atom smallest particle, no electrons, no quarks..we're sure now...wait...
scientists are regular folks subject to their own biases...their record on absolute truths is no better than priests...
do I generally have faith in scientists? yes. but in this case they are using VERY suspect and complicated models with MANY arbitrary variables picked out on thin air...
the conclusion that industrial activity is causing global warming is FAR from proven
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:31 am to dewster
Indeed, the falsity of AGW has been proven time and again by our resident poli board crack climatologists.
Can we instead focus on the fact that the OP "BOOM'd" the world's scientific community with a hack site?
hilarious. Some of y'all keep on giving on this issue.
Can we instead focus on the fact that the OP "BOOM'd" the world's scientific community with a hack site?
hilarious. Some of y'all keep on giving on this issue.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:33 am to Socratics
quote:Not that I'm defending this "source".... but... If that's your criteria... it would also apply to Michael Mann, Keith Briffa, the Hadley historic datasets, and all five IPCC "consensus" reports.
A person has been known on multiple occasions to cherry pick data to support his point. In addition, he admitted glaring errors in his previous report.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:34 am to TejasHorn
I love how the warmers hate news that manmade warming may not be happening. Really gives some insight to their motives.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:35 am to dewster
quote:The propagandists trio. Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt. Classic Bernays.
It's not as if we have never had people warning society that the sky was falling in order to sell them a product, service, or political idology.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:02 am to A2
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I will answer this with the statement that whatever is said in opposition of your beliefs won't matter. No matter the source, "charts", data, or scientific evaluation. This has become a political issue for Conservatives because your leadership wanted you to believe it.
Don't believe me? Research it yourselves.
So, since you won't research beyond your political safety zones, who fricking cares?
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:06 am to UL-SabanRival
Rigging data has been going on for decades. One guy traveled across the US taking pictures of temperature station boxes designed to gather data. He posted dozens of pics on his website of the stations that were placed next to artificial heat sources. Like right next to the exhaust of a building's central air system. Or on an asphalt parking lot.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:08 am to BBONDS25
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I love how the warmers hate news that manmade warming may not be happening. Really gives some insight to their motives.
quoting this because it is so true.
Every time a model fails to be accurate, which has been pretty much all of them, the reaction should be; "awesome, maybe we aren't as responsible for warming after all". Instead, we get increased confidence intervals and doom and gloom speech. It is very telling.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:09 am to Taxing Authority
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Another appointment tomorrow.
Give her the Poli-Board's best!
Don't do that to the poor woman.
Rillydoh, good luck to your mom, VB.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:09 am to Zach
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Rigging data has been going on for decades. One guy traveled across the US taking pictures of temperature station boxes designed to gather data. He posted dozens of pics on his website of the stations that were placed next to artificial heat sources. Like right next to the exhaust of a building's central air system. Or on an asphalt parking lot.
Do you have a link for this? I'd love to take a look at it.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:17 am to SoulGlo
quote:A2 seems to have flailed here the last couple of days.
SoulGlo
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:18 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Do you have a link for this? I'd love to take a look at it.
Wow, I haven't looked at the site in 3 years. I don't even know if it's still there but I'll give it a shot.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:20 am to GoCrazyAuburn
pictures of some stations
odd locations of stations and errors
odd locations of stations and errors
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Do you have a link for this? I'd love to take a look at it.
This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 10:22 am
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:21 am to Ole War Skule
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:24 am to Ole War Skule
quote:I have never seen that.
Ole War Skule
Good God Almighty!
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:26 am to Ole War Skule
I was about to post the link that is your second one. Thanks.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:43 am to Ole War Skule
This reminds me of why baton rouge is considered one of the worst air polluted cities in the country by the epa. Once a year, the particulate levels measured in the air skyrocket orders of magnitude above the legal limits. The epa uses this spike togo after the chemical plants. However, that annual spike just happens to coincide with the end of the cane harvest when the cane fields are burned because the measuring station is in the middle of a cane field!
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