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re: Brown University Shooting Thread: UPDATE, Also Suspect in MIT murder; Committed Suicide
Posted on 12/19/25 at 2:14 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
Posted on 12/19/25 at 2:14 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
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None of that sort of information has been released as of yet.
Do you think it will be?
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Posted on 12/19/25 at 2:30 pm to Mediocre
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So you believe we have been given facts?
That’s interesting
I believe what the Trump-appointed U.S Attorney in Boston said are facts. I believe the facts attested to in the sworn arrest warrant affidavit.
What do you think?
Arrest Warrant Affidavit
Posted on 12/19/25 at 2:48 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:this is true.
Actually the removal of his profile increased the attention on him because it was so weird.
Despite this, they still never unequivocally denied/cleared him as a suspect.
All they had to do was provide extremely clear language that he was without a doubt NOT the suspect along with some other piece of evidence backing it up and it would have been done.
What did we get instead? Silence, vagueness, and misdirection. The president even claimed to have "no clue" his name was even scrubbed.
If he was not a person of interest and had an alibi then state that at one of the numerous circus-like press conferences instead of scrubbing his existence online. If you present some facts the void to be filled doesn't exist.
And remember, regarding affidavits, facts, and the subject of cleared vs. not cleared persons such as this guy.....
Prior to the internet discovering him Providence PD and prosecutors managed to get an arrest warrant on another guy, with sworn affidavits, with an alibi, no witnesses, and zero forensics. This guy was holed up in his hotel room for days and was reported by hotel staff because he simply had 2 guns. He never even left.
That wasn't on internet sleuths, or TD, or Reddit. That was on that state, the city, and the court. They don't have a lot of credibility when it comes to scrubbing info for the innocent when they target the same (cutting corners) with the other hand.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 2:59 pm to OccamsStubble
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I can’t answer these.
Just for clarification, I wasn’t posing those questions to you. Those are questions that should be asked of Brown University and the investigating authorities.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 3:00 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Actually the removal of his profile increased the attention on him because it was so
Streisand Effect
Posted on 12/19/25 at 3:21 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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Was this politically motovated?
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Seems more personal.
It isn’t necessarily an either/or equation.
Part of settling old scores over the perp’s perceived career derailment could have involved targeting those he believed supported policies that would curtail the immigration policies that allowed him entry into this country.
With that in mind, targeting an apparently well known conservative activist from a Deep Red State on a Deep Blue campus may have thus aligned with the shooter’s quest for revenge.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 3:26 pm to I20goon
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this is true.
If he was not a person of interest and had an alibi then state that at one of the numerous circus-like press conferences instead of scrubbing his existence online. If you present some facts the void to be filled doesn't exist.
And remember, regarding affidavits, facts, and the subject of cleared vs. not cleared persons such as this guy.....
I've never been a police officer, but its also not this easy. They can't just immediately cross off suspects, find alibi's, etc. Furthermore, they can't just tell the public absolutely everything.
Given all of that, sure the optics here are certainly the Brown admin and Providence police public relations are terrible. That doesn't necessarily mean the entire department and lead investigators were terrible. I'm not trying to stick up for them by any means and I certainly get it.
But I also know that their main job is not keeping the public in the loop.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 3:36 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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With that in mind, targeting an apparently well known conservative activist from a Deep Red State on a Deep Blue campus may have thus aligned with the shooter’s quest for revenge.
I think conservatives are targeted. I don't see any evidence that this conservative (RIP) was targeted.
Maybe she was, but I haven't seen anything other than unnamed sources to suggest that.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 3:39 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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but I haven't seen anything other than unnamed sources to suggest that.
It’s a safe assumption that if she were shot 10x that she was the target. But maybe that’s just a rumor.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 3:41 pm to Robin Masters
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It’s a safe assumption that if she were shot 10x that she was the target. But maybe that’s just a rumor.
Absolutely. But it's just a rumor at this point.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 3:43 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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Maybe she was, but I haven't seen anything other than unnamed sources to suggest that.
I posted immediately after the shooting that it probably wasnt a lefty (politically motivated) and the Baws melted down.
Nothing about it screams political activism, but that doesnt stop the gossips.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 4:24 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:Well, he apparently hadn't been that they knew of, and then he was casing the place for a month. So, he was in fact there a lot recently.quote:
A question about the victim, the one Republican chick... was she active in "free speech" debates? Seems like she could have been, just based on her position. Maybe she was just targeted like Kirk, and this was just a guy who went off and lashed out everywhere? Got his revenge in along the way?
Sounds like her getting shot was more just about simply being in THAT particular classroom and nothing more.
This guy hadnt been on Brown's campus in over 20 years.
That's why I asked about her being vocal. Just spitballing on that. If she was active in Brown's version of Free Speech Alley, and he was hanging around (and in a state of psychotic paranoia and delusion), he may have noticed her. Already in the process of "getting" the MIT guy for whatever reason, and she becomes a second "get her too" target. If he intended to "punish" Brown anyway, she becomes a slightly less random secondary target.
I'm extrapolating on that because of the reports that she was shot 10 times in the head, which seems to suggest something was in play there. Shooters in these situations usually keep moving, instead of fixating on a downed person unless there's some reason they targeted them.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 4:24 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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Maybe she was, but I haven't seen anything other than unnamed sources to suggest that.
The problem here is investigating authorities at the state level and local level appear to be rank incompetents while the FBI is a wholly compromised and foundationally corrupt entity. Sadly, we may thus never know the full story about these horrific killings.
Perhaps it was simply a random twist of fate that Ella Cook — who by all reports was a high profile conservative Christian activist on Brown’s ultra-liberal campus — was killed in the attack. Yet in this post-Charlie Kirk era, it certainly seems a reasonable question as to whether Ella Cook was specifically targeted for ideological reasons.
This post was edited on 12/19/25 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 12/19/25 at 4:29 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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The problem here is investigating authorities at the state level and local level appear to be rank incompetents while the FBI is a wholly compromised and foundationally corrupt entity. Sadly, we may thus never know the full story about these horrific killings.
Perhaps it was simply a random twist of fate that Ella Cook — who by all reports was a high profile conservative Christian activist on Brown’s ultra-liberal campus — was killed in the attack. Yet in this post-Charlie Kirk era, it certainly seems a reasonable question as to whether Ella Cook was specifically targeted for ideological reasons.
I agree with all of this. Unless Ella's family speaks up, we will never know.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 4:34 pm to Scoob
quote:what reports? Rumors being propagated by sketchy sources?
extrapolating on that because of the reports that she was shot 10 times in the head
Posted on 12/19/25 at 4:45 pm to Chicken
quote:yeah, I guess.
what reports? Rumors being propagated by sketchy sources?
Posted on 12/19/25 at 4:55 pm to Toomer Deplorable
quote:I think most local cops are in over their heads when it comes to something like this; and probably a good bit of the state-level guys too. This wasn't a drive-by over a drug deal, or an active domestic dispute.
The problem here is investigating authorities at the state level and local level appear to be rank incompetents
And it doesn't seem to be politically motivated as of now, which usually school shootings are.
Like I said above, there may be something to build off of regarding the past connection with the MIT guy; a claim of stolen research or something like that. "You took a spot that rightfully should have been mine". Something recent might have triggered the desire to act on that, was the shooter fixing to be unemployed or the MIT guy about to get wealthy?
One last, totally random speculation (nothing to base any of it on);
maybe these two guys were once close, in whatever way, shape or form.
And maybe the shooter became deranged, mentally ill etc, and this WAS some form of political statement (at Brown). And he then confided to the MIT guy what he'd done, who immediately said "you're nuts, I'm going to turn you in"... and he then killed him too?
And then killed himself afterwards?
Posted on 12/19/25 at 5:01 pm to Scoob
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this WAS some form of political statement (at Brown).
EVERYONE is speculating at this point:)...but what would be the political statement of shooting up an econ class? Why not shoot up a POLITICAL gathering? Even a Young Republican Meeting?
Traveling from Miami to Providence makes more sense for personal reasons (ties to Brown) rather than political. Surely, there were lots of conservative targets in Florida.
This post was edited on 12/19/25 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 12/19/25 at 5:18 pm to IvoryBillMatt
quote:Schizophrenia...
EVERYONE is speculating at this point:)...bit what would be the political statement of shooting up an econ class? Why not shoot up a POLITICAL gathering? Even a Young Republican Meeting?
Traveling from Miami to Providence makes more sense for personal reasons (ties to Brown) rather than political
I worked in psych.
Someone becomes delusional, and it all makes sense to them. And makes zero sense to a lucid individual. Maybe he struck a blow for "the movement" (all in his head) at Brown, an Ivy League school he did have some connection to. Prevents "them" from infecting the student populace with "their terrible ideations".
Then goes to the guy he knew, who must SURELY understand... and who rebukes and rejects his delusional actions, tells him he is crazy. So he is "forced" to kill that guy too, and some small part of his mind grasps that he is out of his fricking mind. So he goes and offs himself.
And again, he's dead and we will likely never know. I'm just trying to piece this together, to figure out why he'd randomly shoot up a bunch of college students in one state, and then go kill a guy he apparently knew as a colleague in a nearby but altogether different location.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 5:24 pm to Scoob
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Schizophrenia...
I worked in psych.
Good point. It's probably not TOO useful to try to analyze decisions of people with mental health issues.
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