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re: Chesebro also pleads guilty, agrees to testify in future trials.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 4:25 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 10/20/23 at 4:25 pm to Fun Bunch
The fake electors thing is such a bullshite accusation. The idea was not new and did not originate with Trump. JFK actually assembled a group of "fake electors" in Hawaii during the 1960 election. Was he prosecuted?
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 4:26 pm to NC_Tigah
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Along with it came the prospect of being tried in front of a jury with the collective IQ of a chimpanzee
Jury of one's peers, and all that . . .
Posted on 10/20/23 at 4:30 pm to Auburn1968
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The process is the punishment. That's how the bankrupted and forced Gen. Flynn to "confess" so they didn't go after his son. That's how Stalin broke the old Bolsheviks. He either beat "confessions" out of them or threatened to send their families to gulags if they didn't confess.
Exactly, the US has its own Uncle Joe.
The Soviet Union is a perfect example of a failed leftist society.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 4:32 pm to AUstar
Also want to add that several states have refused to prosecute the "fake electors" because it simply does not violate the law.
Here is what the Democrat AG of Wisconsin said:
Here is what the Democrat AG of Wisconsin said:
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Wisconsin law does not prohibit an alternative set of electors from meeting,” Wisconsin Assistant Attorny General Mike Murphy, a Democrat serving as outside counsel for the Elections Commission, wrote in a memo to commissioners. “Based upon the text of the relevant statutes, and in light of the facts, historical precedent, and related federal authorities, this memorandum concludes that [there is no] reasonable suspicion that [the Republican electors] violated Wisconsin election law
Posted on 10/20/23 at 4:41 pm to BBONDS25
quote:None of this legal extortion is a "nothingburger."
This is a huge nothingburger.
I know I'm preaching to the choir, but I've seen settlements of convenience in the med-mal world WAAAAY too often.
A completely innocent client is confronted with a sure-thing settlement vs a bullshite case presented to a clueless jury of peers who might, in their abject ignorance, find for the prosecution.
In this case, there's only a 1-in-5 chance, but if they find for the prosecution, you're going to jail for the rest of your life ....
.... and oh .... by the way, they have an unlimited budget,
so your defense will cost ... well ... a lot.
Do you have that kind of cash to piss away, or do you want to preserve your resources and settle for no jailtime?
This post was edited on 10/20/23 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 10/20/23 at 4:43 pm to j1897
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The melt on this board when Trump goes to prison is gonna be epic. I'm buying bulk popcorn to prepare.
Buy all the popcorn you want. I'm buying more important things.
You better hope the system isn't stupid enough to actually try and imprison Trump. Laughing and hoping for such a thing shows exactly how ignorant you truly are.
A nation-ending blowback like we have never seen will occur if they try to throw Trump in a cell. I don't think you fully comprehend the gravity of such an action, nor do you appear to have the mental capacity to fathom exactly how divided and hostile this nation will become at the drop of a hat if this happens. We're already in a cold civil war and it wouldn't take much for shite to rapidly go very hot.
Enjoy your popcorn.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 4:43 pm to j1897
Stay tuned the future may shock you
Posted on 10/20/23 at 4:46 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Downvotes should not be anonymous on the poliboard. But since they are, any of you anonymous DVs want to raise your hand?
Of course it is.
As is obvious here, no one opposed to Trump cares.
That is our new paradigm.
By any means necessary.
If it takes creating a J6 incident with 1500 bullshite prosecutions, so be it. If it takes politically weaponizing the DOJ, so be it. If that fails, and it takes an Oswald incident, so be it.
How can a democracy exist under those circumstances you ask?
It can't.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 4:49 pm to TigerAxeOK
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A nation-ending blowback like we have never seen will occur if they try to throw Trump in a cell.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 4:51 pm to NC_Tigah
They can’t even answer my question asking for specifics. All completely ignorant and cheering for political prosecutions. It’s sad and disgusting.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 4:55 pm to TigerAxeOK
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You better hope the system isn't stupid enough to actually try and imprison Trump. Laughing and hoping for such a thing shows exactly how ignorant you truly are.
A nation-ending blowback like we have never seen will occur if they try to throw Trump in a cell. I don't think you fully comprehend the gravity of such an action, nor do you appear to have the mental capacity to fathom exactly how divided and hostile this nation will become at the drop of a hat if this happens. We're already in a cold civil war and it wouldn't take much for shite to rapidly go very hot.
You will do nothing but continue to post on message boards. Americans are much too fat and lazy to do anything else. They saw what happened to Jan 6 protesters. They ain’t gonna waste their comfortable lives to go to bat for a man who left his supporters out to dry.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 4:58 pm to BBONDS25
quote:Disgusting indeed.
They can’t even answer my question asking for specifics. All completely ignorant and cheering for political prosecutions. It’s sad and disgusting.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 5:01 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
quote:Under these circumstances, you'd damn well better believe it's a "sure thing"
TigerOnTheMountain
This post was edited on 10/20/23 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 10/20/23 at 5:04 pm to NC_Tigah
Brother, we are no where close to any sort of action jeopardizing the interruption of prime delivery, least of all employment.
We have a long way to go.
We have a long way to go.
This post was edited on 10/20/23 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 10/20/23 at 5:09 pm to BBONDS25
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He got probation. He can only speak to his intent and minder. He cannot testify to anyone else’s mindset and intent
I never said anything about anyone else's mindset and intent. Cheseboro authored the memo outlining the whole fake elector scheme and the plan to delay the counting of electoral votes. His mindset and belief in all of this is highly relevant to Trump.
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Have you read the entire transcript of Trumps phone call to the SOS?
No, I've never read the transcript. I have listened to the actual recording start to finish, twice, and listened to relevant portions of it multiple times.
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What actions of Trump, specifically, were illegal?
Again, I was talking about Cheseboro, not Trump.
But since you keep asking everyone, Trump is charged with:
At least 3 counts of SOLICITATION OF VIOLATION OF OATH BY PUBLIC OFFICER. OGCA 16-4-7 makes it a felony to solicit, request, command or otherwise attempt to cause another person to engage in conduct constituting a feloney. OGCA 16-10-1 makes it a felony for any public officer to willfully and intentionally violate their oath of office.
Trump is accused of this violation by attempting to coerce speaker David Ralston to call a special session for the purpose of appointing presidential electors in violation of Georgia law. Also for the Jan. 2 phone call to Raffensperger seeking to have him decertify the election, and his request on September 17th, 2021 to Raffensperter to "decertify the Election, or whatever the correct legal remedy is, and announce the true winner"
Multiple counts of the offense of MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS AND WRITINGS. OGCA 16-10-20 makes it a felony to knowingly make a false statement or use a false writing or document in any matter within the jurisdiction of a public agency.
He is accused of knowingly making false statements to Raffensperger, and in the fake elector scheme. Trump's state of mind might be hard to prove, but there are multiple emails from Eastman prior to the Raffensperger phone call telling Trump the claims were wrong.
For the fake elector scheme, I'm not clear on what he allegedly said to whom.
He is also accused of conspiracy to commit Forgery, Conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer, Conspiracy to commit false writings and documents, Conspiracy to commit filing of false writings and documents, all related to the fake elector scheme. I do not know his level of involvement in all of that, and I think that is more likely to be a problem for Trump in the RICO charge.
His also charged with FILING FALSE DOCUMENTS in violation of OGCA 16-10-20.1(b)(1)...but that is for making false statements in the verified complaint filed in Federal District Court on December 31, 2020. That seems like something the Federal Court should address, not a State court criminal charge. Besides, I think that complaint was voluntarily withdrawn, although its hard to keep track.
Of course, the ultimate charge is the RICO violation, and honestly Georgia's RICO charge is so broad and vague that it seems unconstitutional. It has survived challenges so far, though.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 5:10 pm to cusoonkpd
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You will do nothing but continue to post on message boards. Americans are much too fat and lazy to do anything else. They saw what happened to Jan 6 protesters. They ain’t gonna waste their comfortable lives to go to bat for a man who left his supporters out to dry.
Hmmm...
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You will do nothing
...is not the same as....
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They saw what happened to Jan 6 protesters
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They ain’t gonna waste their comfortable lives
Did I ever say I'd do anything though? Nope, I sure didn't. That would be a pretty stupid thing to publicly proclaim, no? And if an EMP attack takes out the grid then posting on message boards will be a thing of the past and we'll be back in the Stone Age within days... So I guess I'll just club big cats over the head for dinner and masturbate in my free time.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 5:10 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
quote:It is later than you think.
Brother, we are no where close to any sort of action jeopardizing the interruption prime delivery, least of all employment.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 5:11 pm to AUstar
Having an alternate slate of electors selected in case a legal appeal prevails is one thing, but falsely certifying a separate set is something else.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 5:13 pm to TigerDoc
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Having an alternate slate of electors selected in case a legal appeal prevails is one thing, but falsely certifying a separate set is something else.
Who certified it and when? And what code section did those actions violate!
This post was edited on 10/20/23 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 10/20/23 at 5:15 pm to BBONDS25
Bonds, you're playing in the minors, man. Get your big-league brain up to the majors!
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