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re: Constellation Class Frigate Program Cancelled By Navy Secretary
Posted on 11/26/25 at 9:08 am to rmnldr
Posted on 11/26/25 at 9:08 am to rmnldr
This sounds eerily like the same fate as the Zumwalt destroyers. 32 planned. 3 built. 29 cancelled.
No wonder our ship building capabilities have been decimated.
No wonder our ship building capabilities have been decimated.
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Posted on 11/26/25 at 9:16 am to trinidadtiger
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which was to be based on an off-the-shelf design
Commander Salamander has done a couple of articles on Substack about this.
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The Navy has made so many changes in the Constellation that a ship that was supposed to share 85% of the design of its Italian parent now has just 15% in common, according to Eric Labs, senior analyst for Naval Forces and Weapons at the Congressional Budget Office.
“We have an insatiable demand for capabilities at times…we struggle to say stop,” said Brett Seidle, civilian deputy to the Assistant Secretary of the Navy for Research, Development and Acquisition, at a congressional hearing this month.
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On the Constellation, multiple rounds of review by the Navy to approve technical requirements led to extreme slowdowns in construction, said Shelby Oakley, a director in the GAO. In one example, Fincantieri had to respond to over 170 critical comments from the Navy on one—out of hundreds—of supporting documents vetted by the military.
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and don’t get me started again in putting a 57mm gun on a platform designed for a 5”.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 9:44 am to Chrome
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This is exactly the line of thinking that the Japanese had in WW2. The army merely wanted the navy to ferry them around to do the work. The navy has to be strong to react to an enemy force. Without naval superiority supply ships are dead in the water.
ever see the movie "the americanization of emily" melvyn douglas says the line, "if hitler had a navy he'd be in england now"
Posted on 11/27/25 at 10:14 am to Chrome
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This is exactly the line of thinking that the Japanese had in WW2. The army merely wanted the navy to ferry them around to do the work. The navy has to be strong to react to an enemy force. Without naval superiority supply ships are dead in the water.
this quite the foolish take. The Imperial Japanese Navy sunk 2 US carriers and an untold number of battle ships. They had as powerful a navy as any other country on the planet. That’s a big reason why Hitler wanted them as an ally.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 10:27 am to RollTide1987
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the only thing that really matters is…submarines.
Hyman Rickover said there are only two kinds of ships: Submarines and targets.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 10:39 am to rmnldr
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Absolute clusterfrick. Phelan is a joke, NAVSEA is a joke. The whole structure is rotten from top to bottom. Our navy is crumbling from worn out hulls and we can’t get a single new surface class up and running for a production line. We’re going to keep pushing out Burkes forever it seems.
The whole idea was to take a proven design and rush it into production with minimal design changes to boost the surface fleet but the navy decided they wanted to make changes to 75% of the ship.
We already just fricked up with the E-7 Wedgetail and now this is another procurement disaster.
Everyone who is down voting you has no idea what they are talking about.
We have been failing to produce new ship classes since the Burke.
Like Lemmy said, Cmdr Salamander has covered this in detail.
https://cdrsalamander.substack.com/p/the-secnav-delivers-your-takesgiving
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the U.S.A. has not successfully designed a warship since the Cold War.
I think he means Surface Combatant, but even Sub Surface, only Virginia from the 1990s is post cold war and actually deployed.
We won't get the first Colombia until 2031.
And Carrier, we have one Ford, and that has some problems.
America Class only has 2 ships out there.
But for Surface Combatants
The Burke was and is a masterpiece.
Zumwalt was a failed class of 3
But it was better than CG(X) Which died after Billions without one ship.
Frigates... We are going to get 4
LCS... We have some ships, but some are already being sold off.
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Freedom class (8 in active service, 3 under construction, 5 retired)
Independence (12 in active service, 5 under construction, 2 retired)
If you take away the cold war era designed hulls, we don't have a navy.
This post was edited on 11/27/25 at 11:42 am
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:57 am to RFK
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This is exactly why SECWAR is considering combining marines into the army and relegating the Navy strictly to submarines, carriers, and transport ships to haul the army’s equipment.
You are absolutely full of shite. He’s doing no such thing.
Give us a link where SecWar is considering merging Marines into the Army. I want to see your “sources”.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 8:11 pm to rmnldr
SONGBOW is so cheap I wonder when MIC will kill it
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 11/27/25 at 8:16 pm to rmnldr
I wish SECNAV would do something about those God-awful unisex uniforms. 
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:11 pm to RFK
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this quite the foolish take.
How is it foolish? The Japanese army/navy competition throughout the war is well-documented and caused operational downfalls in multiple theaters.
What Japan was able to do was impressive but once faced with the industrial power of the U.S. they crumbled. In a future war with China we will look like Japan
Posted on 11/28/25 at 4:38 am to rmnldr
So what now, keep building outdated Arleigh Burke ships to fill the role? I’ve been reading about ships meant to replace Burkes and Ticonderoga my entire life, and we’re still no closer to making that a reality, after hundreds of billions spent.
Just slash the defense budget in half at this point. If it’s going to be such a boondoggle and money pit, limit how much they’re gonna waste.
Just slash the defense budget in half at this point. If it’s going to be such a boondoggle and money pit, limit how much they’re gonna waste.
This post was edited on 11/28/25 at 4:39 am
Posted on 11/28/25 at 7:51 am to RFK
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We have to completely reshape how we fight to adapt to the current century. Aside from the nuclear triad, every thing should directly contribute to supporting the army, or be phased out.
fricking nonsense.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 9:38 am to RFK
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We have to completely reshape how we fight to adapt to the current century.
True
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Aside from the nuclear triad, every thing should directly contribute to supporting the army, or be phased out.
Just proving you got lucky on the first part of this statement.
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