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re: Dispensationalism is a Heresy
Posted on 8/19/25 at 2:34 pm to wackatimesthree
Posted on 8/19/25 at 2:34 pm to wackatimesthree
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That’s as legit as me seeming to remember you saying you liked blowing dudes.
Yeah, except that I can replay at least part of the conversation back to you with specifics.
I had posted that almost all of the first wave feminists had written that they got their feminist ideas by channeling spirits, and I had posted that I believed them when they said that.
You responded that that made me a loon (or some similar pejorative term).
My response to that was that YOU were the one agreeing with the people claiming to have received their wisdom from channeled spirits, so which one of us was the loon? (Remember now?)
And I don't recall you correcting me and telling me that no, you didn't agree with them after all and that I had misinterpreted your posts on the thread. Did I miss that post?
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I’m married to a stay-at-home wife. We have very traditional roles in our family because both of us wanted it that way. I’m an alpha male and she is a VERY traditional woman who is a nurturer from the word “Go”.
Cool story (except for the part about being an alpha male, which based on your posts here I absolutely do not believe).
Now all you have to do is state that not only do you live that way, but you think that society would be much improved if the vast majority of society lived that way in order to correct my memory.
I doubt you will because I think that's what your, "because both of us wanted it that way" statement was meant to hedge, but we'll find out shortly.
Just for the record, leaving the thread and not replying to the direct question is exactly what you did the last time in the thread I referenced.
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Posted on 8/19/25 at 2:35 pm to SkiUtah420
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Dispensationalism is a Heresy
I'm Jimmy Russel, and I approve this message.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 2:37 pm to SoWhat
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it's a concerted effort.
Absolutely correct.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 2:40 pm to Flats
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This is an odd thing for you to get upset over, though, as it seems sorta reciprocal to me.
I'm not at all upset over the fact that, as a whole, Protestants do not consider Catholics to be Christians and do not consider Catholics to be part of the Body of Christ, nor do they consider the Roman Catholic Church to be a Christian Church. I know this to be true because I have researched the issue for myself.
Jimmy Akin expressed the official Catholic Church doctrine on this issue of whether Catholics consider Protestants to be "Christian". Jimmy says this, and I agree with him:
"Well, the Catholic understanding is that Protestants are our brothers and sisters in Christ. So all Christians who profess faith in Christ and who are properly baptized are Christians and were put into a relationship with Jesus that Scripture describes in terms of being members of his Body."
So, yes, Catholics and Protestants are both Christians. Neither side believes that the other has the right formula for Salvation, but, both sides are Christians.
This post was edited on 8/19/25 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 8/19/25 at 2:48 pm to Diamondawg
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That's weird.
So what? Your church experience was different than his. His church experience is not unusual, in fact, I'd say it was common.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 3:03 pm to Champagne
quote:You do Church surveys for a living?
So what? Your church experience was different than his. His church experience is not unusual, in fact, I'd say it was common.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 3:16 pm to Champagne
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It's nice to know that so many Protestants believe that the Church that Jesus Christ founded on earth is not a Christian Church.
So much bs. Jesus didn’t establish the Catholic Church as the true church. The true church isn’t a denomination it is the body of saved people also referred to as Christians today but were called followers of “The Way” for almost 200 years. Peter didn’t even make it as the “leader” of the Church during his lifetime. He submitted his understanding to Paul.
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
What Catholics don’t understand is that Jesus wasn’t saying that Peter was the rock but that Jesus himself was the rock. Reread what the scripture says… really read it and tell me Jesus is talking about Peter or was he talking about himself?? The Rock is Jesus not Peter. The messiah was mentioned as a Rock in the OT and the NT. Catholic teaching is just incorrect in its interpretation.
As far as the loosed on earth and in heaven is about the Kingdom age. Did the Kingdom come? Nope it hasn’t yet but it will in the 1000 year reign of Christ. Christians/ Believers at that time will rule with Christ. And with that I just ended the “authority” of the Catholic priesthood. It is for a different time then now. That power isn’t obtained until the Kingdom age. Read Revelation 20 and maybe you’ll understand some about the Kingdom age.
See dispensations is really the only way to understand the Bible. Like I mentioned much earlier in this thread all Christians are dispensationalist they just don’t know it.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 3:46 pm to wackatimesthree
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And I don't recall you correcting me and telling me that no, you didn't agree with them after all and that I had misinterpreted your posts on the thread. Did I miss that post?
Ohhh, so since you don’t remember me disagreeing with some hare-brained post you made, that’s tantamount to a confession. Well twinky, just for the record, you haven’t contradicted my post about you blowing dudes, soooo…
Your logic, wackat.
Oh, I see you had this…
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Now all you have to do is state that not only do you live that way, but you think that society would be much improved if the vast majority of society lived that way in order to correct my memory. I doubt you will because I think that's what your, "because both of us wanted it that way" statement was meant to hedge, but we'll find out shortly.
I unequivocally agree that society would be better if a lot more women stayed at home with their children. I think the women, and their husbands would be happier too.
It’s my belief that women have had a lot of pressure on them to seek careers. If the pressure was neutral more would choose to stay with their children. I'd like to see neutral pressure.
See, you’re wrong again.
This post was edited on 8/19/25 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 8/19/25 at 4:08 pm to Diamondawg
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That's weird. I've been to the same Church for 34 years, participated in the things you mentioned, was involved in prison ministry (ecumenical) and weekend retreats. I can't recall ever hearing of Catholics being bashed other than differing theologies. For instance; transubstantiation. Just can't get my head around that one.
Good on your church for not subscribing to it.
I grew up in what some in the south would call, pew jumping. I think we went to every version of protestant denomination. And there was always some level of Catholicism bashing. Whether from the pulpit to Sunday lunch.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 4:12 pm to Goforit
Posted on 8/19/25 at 4:14 pm to Diamondawg
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You do Church surveys for a living?
I do it as a hobby.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 4:15 pm to CorchJay
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What Catholics don’t understand is that Jesus wasn’t saying that Peter was the rock but that Jesus himself was the rock. Reread what the scripture says… really read it and tell me Jesus is talking about Peter or was he talking about himself?? The Rock is Jesus not Peter. The messiah was mentioned as a Rock in the OT and the NT. Catholic teaching is just incorrect in its interpretation.
Petrus is latin for rock, which is derived from the Greek word Petros, which is a translation for the Aramaic word Kepha, the name that Jesus gave Simon (Peter).
Posted on 8/19/25 at 4:23 pm to Champagne
quote:So, I've been a member of the First Self-Righteous Church of Baton Rouge and they have been talking so bad about Catholics at said Church that I think I'll convert. Yeah - I could see that be very "common".
His church experience is not unusual, in fact, I'd say it was common.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 4:37 pm to Diamondawg
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So, I've been a member of the First Self-Righteous Church of Baton Rouge and they have been talking so bad about Catholics at said Church that I think I'll convert. Yeah - I could see that be very "common".
My conversion had zero to do with the bashing. In fact, it likely delayed it 20 years.
The conversion part is not the common part, just the bashing
Posted on 8/19/25 at 4:42 pm to SoWhat
quote:I was in a United Methodist Church until recently when we disaffiliated and became a Global Methodist Church. We were too busy bashing ourselves to worry about what catholics were doing.
I grew up in what some in the south would call, pew jumping. I think we went to every version of protestant denomination. And there was always some level of Catholicism bashing. Whether from the pulpit to Sunday lunch.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 4:58 pm to SoWhat
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I grew up in what some in the south would call, pew jumping. I think we went to every version of protestant denomination. And there was always some level of Catholicism bashing. Whether from the pulpit to Sunday lunch.
Bashing catholics or their theology?
Posted on 8/19/25 at 5:15 pm to mudshuvl05
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mudshuvl05
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horseshite. The Church is the new Israel, not Netanyahu and Mossad.
that is correct sir!
the seed of Abraham is explained very clearly in Galatians.
This post was edited on 8/19/25 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 8/19/25 at 5:18 pm to SoWhat
quote:The patristics were divided on who Jesus was referring to. Some believed Peter was the object of Jesus' statement (Tertullian and Cyprian), while others believed it was Jesus, Himself (Cyril of Alexandria, Ambrose of Milan, and Augustine in his earlier writings), He was talking about. Still others thought the profession of faith of Christ as Lord (Origen, Chrysostom (at times), and Augustine in his later writings) is what Jesus was referring to. Finally some thought the apostles as a whole (Jerome and Gregory of Nyssa) were what Jesus was referring to. It's a mixed bag in history.
Petrus is latin for rock, which is derived from the Greek word Petros, which is a translation for the Aramaic word Kepha, the name that Jesus gave Simon (Peter).
The imagery is about a bedrock or cornerstone, used for building. In that sense, Jesus is elsewhere said to be the "foundation" (1 Cor. 3:11), while another time He is said to be the cornerstone and the foundation is the apostles and prophets (Eph. 2:2).
This is one of the major problems I have with the doctrines regarding the Papacy. The Papacy is a fundamental office for the RCC and it is built upon such a shaky foundation (pun intended) of Peter being both the rock Jesus was referring to, and the specific petrine succession that doesn't seem to play out in church history as it is commonly understood by Roman Catholics. I just can't get behind it.
This post was edited on 8/19/25 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 8/19/25 at 5:29 pm to Champagne
quote:I would love for this to be the case, however a problem I can't get past is that the Council of Trent (and reaffirmed in the first Vatican Council) condemned core Protestant doctrines and anathematized those who agree with them (or who disagree with the RCC on those issues).
Jimmy Akin expressed the official Catholic Church doctrine on this issue of whether Catholics consider Protestants to be "Christian". Jimmy says this, and I agree with him:
"Well, the Catholic understanding is that Protestants are our brothers and sisters in Christ. So all Christians who profess faith in Christ and who are properly baptized are Christians and were put into a relationship with Jesus that Scripture describes in terms of being members of his Body."
So, yes, Catholics and Protestants are both Christians. Neither side believes that the other has the right formula for Salvation, but, both sides are Christians.
If Trent (and Vatican I) are not repealed, I don't see how there can be real Christian fellowship between Catholics and Protestants, especially given that justification by faith alone is a key distinction of what the gospel of Jesus Christ is for Protestants, and that gospel has been condemned by Rome.
I appreciate the post-Vatican II's attempts by Catholics to be softer on Protestants, calling us wayward brothers, or other such phrases, but I just can't get past the formal condemnation of something so central to my belief in the gospel.
I hope you can understand where I and many other Protestants are coming from, even if you disagree.
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