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re: Do you believe in global warming?
Posted on 12/15/16 at 5:23 pm to makersmark1
Posted on 12/15/16 at 5:23 pm to makersmark1
Makersmark1 makes an excellent point. We have our nice standard of living, the rest of y'all need to tighten up.??
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Posted on 12/15/16 at 5:25 pm to Strophie
quote:As has been the case for centuries, if not millennia.
Glacier ice is retreating all over the world, in the Alps, Himalayas, Andes, Rockies, Alaska and Africa.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 5:29 pm to rpg37
I don't if you were expecting a true debate and intelligent discourse, but after reading through just the first page of both sides of the debate acting like petulant, rude children... clearly, it has failed.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 5:49 pm to Dale51
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That said...giving your "point" the benefit of the doubt..should that huge MEGO number lead to more than a .8 degree temperature rise over 100 years?
My "point" is that CO2 emissions–or anything else released into Earth's atmosphere as a result of human activity–has no effect whatsoever on our planet's warming or cooling. None.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 5:53 pm to Mars duMorgue
I believe in the process, don't believe in projected outcomes. Its a vehicle for fearmongerng.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 5:57 pm to Killean
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You are quite literally so fricking dumb that you threaten the survival of humanity as a species.
A lot of PHDs in that crowd, then.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 5:57 pm to NC_Tigah
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As has been the case for centuries, if not millennia
Like 11,000 yearsish
Posted on 12/15/16 at 5:59 pm to NC_Tigah
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As has been the case for centuries, if not millennia.
True. Glaciers have generally been in retreat since the late 1700's.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 6:14 pm to Strophie
quote:Certainly. But I've never met a global warming believer that could accurately draw and label a correct control volume of the atmosphere, much less even begin working out the energy transfer calculations on even the elemental volume. Yet... they claim to be "on the side of science" that global warming exists in appreciable amounts.
We're at the point where it's less meaningful to ask if someone "believes" in anthropogenic climate change and more apt to ask if they "understand" it.
In realty they aren't making scientific arguments. They are parroting what "authorities" have told them. That's neither science nor understanding. It's blindly parroting a slogan. The ultimate goal of any propagandist.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 6:45 pm to Taxing Authority
The science of this is all mostly irrelevant (because it's so hard to really prove or disprove), yet it's what gets the hyper-focus of all who debate it -- I believe this is by design to limit the spectrum and keep people from asking more important questions.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 6:47 pm to Mars duMorgue
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My "point" is that CO2 emissions–or anything else released into Earth's atmosphere as a result of human activity–has no effect whatsoever on our planet's warming or cooling. None.
Then I misunderstood your post. Sorry.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 6:49 pm to Mars duMorgue
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According to co2.earth, global carbon (C) emissions from fossil fuel use were 9.795 gigatons (Gt) in 2014. What kind of idiot thinks that could contribute to global warming in any way, shape or form?
Forgot the sarc tag.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 6:52 pm to rpg37
Actually, I really don't know and I don't really care. Why get wrapped up in something you have no control over. However, if I had to gamble on it I'd say there's a better chance that global warming is real than there is the supposed 2nd coming of Christ.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 6:55 pm to rpg37
I remember when we were worried about another ice age.
Politicians profit from cultivating such fears.
It is just arrogant to say as a politician that you can stop the climate from changing.
The climate changes. It always has. No tax is going to stop it. No lawsuit against an oil company will stop it. No campaign contribution will stop it.
Politicians profit from cultivating such fears.
It is just arrogant to say as a politician that you can stop the climate from changing.
The climate changes. It always has. No tax is going to stop it. No lawsuit against an oil company will stop it. No campaign contribution will stop it.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 7:00 pm to rpg37
Of course humans have an impact on the environment. However, I have no idea if we will ruin the planet in the next 200 years or the next 2,000. The timeline is where I struggle.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 7:04 pm to lynxcat
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However, I have no idea if we will ruin the planet in the next 200 years or the next 2,000.
Why do you believe we'll ruin the planet at all??
Posted on 12/15/16 at 7:05 pm to I B Freeman
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I remember when we were worried about another ice age.
Politicians profit from cultivating such fears.
It is just arrogant to say as a politician that you can stop the climate from changing.
The climate changes. It always has. No tax is going to stop it. No lawsuit against an oil company will stop it. No campaign contribution will stop it.
100% agree. Most of this is all about money and power in the sport of politics.
But the problem with many is they stop their thought on this at whether or not global warming is real, instead of progressing to think about whether or not our economic systems really take into account real costs, and whether or not this system of perpetual growth and always needing to out-do the last quarter and the last year is the best way to live on this planet -- ice melting, natural swings ect or not.
This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 12/15/16 at 7:10 pm to Taxing Authority
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believe
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Personally, I believe it is obvious, the debate should focus on how to reduce it and accept we play a role in it...
Strikingly similar to Christian concept of original
sin.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 7:31 pm to rpg37
Not Entirely, My Brother and is a huge Global Warming believer and doesn't have me convinced. I believe that it is a combination of multiple factors.
Now as far as the information global warming that everyone is spoon fed, I think it needs to be viewed in 4 different ways. With Curiosity, Skepticism, Humility, and Critical Thinking. Now what I mean by this is that it is very important for us to have a curiosity in the matter and understand the causes, however it is more important that we critically evaluate such evidence and to not blindingly accepting any argument. We need to be able to look at this with skepticism as we are still unsure of the absolute cause. And finally we need to have an aspect of Humility and understand what we have done or haven't done and take responsibility for these actions. But the MOST important thing about all this is CRITICAL EVALUATION. For example the first thing I noticed was that we have only been looking at a short period of time, relative to earths climate cycles, where we have the most accurate data. Sure we can do soil samples to look back before our time but this is not near as accurate as collecting day to day data. So we can only guess as to what the temperature could have been. But the other part of the critical analysis that is important to me is that they have not proceeded with using any experimental method. They have not hypothesized, isolated the variables, controlled other aspects, or concluded on their experiment. This is the way science works so it would be important to operate this though the correct method.
I acknowledge that the earth is warming and the carbon levels are rising, the final question is what affect and to what extent will it go.
Now as far as the information global warming that everyone is spoon fed, I think it needs to be viewed in 4 different ways. With Curiosity, Skepticism, Humility, and Critical Thinking. Now what I mean by this is that it is very important for us to have a curiosity in the matter and understand the causes, however it is more important that we critically evaluate such evidence and to not blindingly accepting any argument. We need to be able to look at this with skepticism as we are still unsure of the absolute cause. And finally we need to have an aspect of Humility and understand what we have done or haven't done and take responsibility for these actions. But the MOST important thing about all this is CRITICAL EVALUATION. For example the first thing I noticed was that we have only been looking at a short period of time, relative to earths climate cycles, where we have the most accurate data. Sure we can do soil samples to look back before our time but this is not near as accurate as collecting day to day data. So we can only guess as to what the temperature could have been. But the other part of the critical analysis that is important to me is that they have not proceeded with using any experimental method. They have not hypothesized, isolated the variables, controlled other aspects, or concluded on their experiment. This is the way science works so it would be important to operate this though the correct method.
I acknowledge that the earth is warming and the carbon levels are rising, the final question is what affect and to what extent will it go.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 7:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I believe in the process, don't believe in projected outcomes. Its a vehicle for fearmongerng.
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