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re: Does it seem strange the US government can openly commit murder?
Posted on 11/22/23 at 7:24 am to Thundercles
Posted on 11/22/23 at 7:24 am to Thundercles
War is war.
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 7:36 am to Thundercles
The gulf of Tonkin. 911.
They have no issue killing their own people either.
They have no issue killing their own people either.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 7:37 am
Posted on 11/22/23 at 7:41 am to 4cubbies
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The government can openly kill its own citizens and it’s celebrated via the death penalty. That really blows my mind.
Capital punishment blows your mind?
Posted on 11/22/23 at 7:53 am to Thundercles
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So you think the American government should just be able to freely kill anyone on the planet they don't agree with?
No. Nor did I ever say anything of the sort.
I think that in situations in which a country is attacking/invading another sovereign nation under the direction of a dictatorial figure (which Putin is doing) that we promised to protect if they gave up their nuclear weapons (which we absolutely did with Ukraine), a focused assassination is much better than going to war to control the situation.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 7:54 am
Posted on 11/22/23 at 7:55 am to salty1
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salty1
This guy, goddamned moron.
Are you as convinced by that argument as I was by yours?
Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:03 am to Thundercles
So this is what I have learned from this thread plus a couple more:
1. Y'all think Putin is an American ally
2. You would rather go to war than avail yourself of an alternative, except that none of you want to go to war either according to your immature, weak bitch, isolationist populist crap, so apparently the nation has become so soft that no international aggression is to be addressed at all.
3. Yet everyone loves the idea (albeit admittedly unrealistic) of Trump imprisoning or executing political enemies, executing domestic criminals, etc., just as long as they aren't international. If they're here and they've committed a crime—or worse, offended Trump—let's kill them all. If they are attacking an ally that we promised to protect, frick 'em.
That sounds about right for this board.
1. Y'all think Putin is an American ally
2. You would rather go to war than avail yourself of an alternative, except that none of you want to go to war either according to your immature, weak bitch, isolationist populist crap, so apparently the nation has become so soft that no international aggression is to be addressed at all.
3. Yet everyone loves the idea (albeit admittedly unrealistic) of Trump imprisoning or executing political enemies, executing domestic criminals, etc., just as long as they aren't international. If they're here and they've committed a crime—or worse, offended Trump—let's kill them all. If they are attacking an ally that we promised to protect, frick 'em.
That sounds about right for this board.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 8:08 am
Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:06 am to Elblancodiablo
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Not hardly
I agree. Not hardly.
It's excessively, egregiously asinine.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:22 am to Powerman
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You might not think that we have beef with Putin and/or Russia but the people running things are operating as if we do and that's all that really matters because that's reality.
Can't argue that
Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:27 am to SCLibertarian
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If by fighting, you mean giving YouTube lectures. This is the same kind of argument these totalitarian leftists will make to justify killing Trump supporters. And what about Al-Awlaki's 16 year old son, who was also killed in a separate drone strike? I'm sure our resident "above-the-fray" moderates have no problem executing people if the government they worship tells them to, but that's a no-go for me.
I don't care if the dude had videos of him killing people. There was no trial, judge, or jury. The POTUS decided to have that guy executed without any review. And after the last couple of decades of lies from our gov't, why would you believe anything they said?
Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:27 am to wackatimesthree
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Y'all think Putin is an American ally
Nope, but he is not our enemy either
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You would rather go to war than avail yourself of an alternative, except that none of you want to go to war either according to your immature, weak bitch, isolationist populist crap, so apparently the nation has become so soft that no international aggression is to be addressed at all.
WTF is this word salad?
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If they are attacking an ally that we promised to protect, frick 'em.
Who?
Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:38 am to Thundercles
Native Americans say no. It does not seem strange.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:04 am to Aubie Spr96
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I don't care if the dude had videos of him killing people. There was no trial, judge, or jury. The POTUS decided to have that guy executed without any review. And after the last couple of decades of lies from our gov't, why would you believe anything they said?
Would it have made you feel better if they had sent in an extraction team to illegally extradite him and we maybe lose a few soldiers in a gunfight in the process?
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:07 am to Aubie Spr96
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I don't care if the dude had videos of him killing people. There was no trial, judge, or jury. The POTUS decided to have that guy executed without any review.
There is review, although I don't pretend to know the details.
I'm not saying drones can't be/aren't abused, but we didn't start this pissing match and we've gone, at least on the military side (CIA does other shite) to great lengths to minimize collateral damage, to the point of taking out the explosives so the dude is killed with nothing but inertia or ginsu blades. That GREATLY increases the chance of a miss, but we do it.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 9:23 am
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:09 am to 4cubbies
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and it’s celebrated via the death penalty.
Some people deserve to die and are given due process.
Do you understand how that is different than the CIA droning people?
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:15 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Some people deserve to die and are given due process.
Do you understand how that is different than the CIA droning people?
Obviously not
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:40 am to RealityWinsOut
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Dang that's rich coming from an abortionist.
Yep..woke females are the worst society has to offer! 
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 9:43 am
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:46 am to wackatimesthree
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1. Y'all think Putin is an American ally
Not at all. He has consistently done what he believes is in the national security interest of Russia. He gave years of advanced warning and reasons for why he would do it. You and other Americans now get to pretend you don’t understand and that he is only invading Ukraine or Georgia because he is a dictator set on domination of Europe. Many of us understand that other countries have their own national security concerns that run contrary to the wishes of our government/military officials. So Putin may be an enemy of those officials but he certainly hasn’t done anything to make himself either my ally or my enemy.
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2. You would rather go to war than avail yourself of an alternative, except that none of you want to go to war either according to your immature, weak bitch, isolationist populist crap, so apparently the nation has become so soft that no international aggression is to be addressed at all.
What international aggression are we talking about here? Are we talking about international aggression in Ukraine, Iraq, Syria or Libya or are we talking about aggression against actual American citizens, like 9/11? It makes a difference. People are sick of spending American treasure abroad when our own country is rotting from within and we’re approaching 34 trillion in debt.
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3. Yet everyone loves the idea (albeit admittedly unrealistic) of Trump imprisoning or executing political enemies, executing domestic criminals, etc., just as long as they aren't international. If they're here and they've committed a crime—or worse, offended Trump—let's kill them all. If they are attacking an ally that we promised to protect, frick 'em.
Oh, I see now. You’re a fricking nut job creating hyperbolic straw man arguments that you can topple.
Now, what I have learned from this thread:
1. Many do not have the ability to contemplate what the effects of blowing up civilians halfway around the globe are. There is such a thing as blowback and we are 100% creating the next round of terrorists with every civilian killed. Just think what we would do if Iran tried to target our military leaders domestically but ended up killing 50% civilians in the process.
2. There is still unfounded trust that the government will not erode rights domestically. All of these policies end up turning back on U.S. citizens. They always promise things will only be used against our enemies abroad. Surveillance for international threats turned into domestic surveillance. International anti-terrorist measures being embraced and used domestically. We now have the FBI acting like half of the population is a domestic terrorist organization because they don’t agree politically. It’s not like these same things haven’t already happened domestically. We just got a big ‘Oopsie daisy!” when the government decided to kill a bunch of citizens in Waco instead of doing what was necessary to insure arrest and speedy trial.
3. Your wish that the U.S. government could assassinate whoever we don’t like completely covertly is terrifying. The fact that you don’t think that would be misused to the extreme, both internationally and domestically, is telling.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 9:52 am
Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:06 am to wackatimesthree
To your points:
No, but he's not an enemy. Russia hasn't attacked the US or a direct ally in over a century. There are over 200+ sovereign nations in this world and we don't have a fight with any of them. Countries are free to conduct their own affairs.
Why would we do either? Literally no one in the world is actually threatening us. It's insane that you would give the government a free pass to kill any person they deem a potential threat.
What? We just want smaller government and everyone fired. Put them in jail if they've committed actual crimes.
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Y'all think Putin is an American ally
No, but he's not an enemy. Russia hasn't attacked the US or a direct ally in over a century. There are over 200+ sovereign nations in this world and we don't have a fight with any of them. Countries are free to conduct their own affairs.
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You would rather go to war than avail yourself of an alternative
Why would we do either? Literally no one in the world is actually threatening us. It's insane that you would give the government a free pass to kill any person they deem a potential threat.
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Yet everyone loves the idea (albeit admittedly unrealistic) of Trump imprisoning or executing political enemies, executing domestic criminals, etc., just as long as they aren't international
What? We just want smaller government and everyone fired. Put them in jail if they've committed actual crimes.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 11:08 am to Thundercles
I wonder if when these happen if there’s compensation from the government to those affected…I remember being in Iraq and Afghanistan, if you accidentally killed a goat, they got paid!
Posted on 11/22/23 at 11:13 am to First Sergeant1
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I wonder if when these happen if there’s compensation from the government to those affected
I think with all the digging someone would have found the payments by now. It also raises an interesting question of what dollar amount is required to kill an innocent Iraqi or Afghan citizen. If the government can just do that, can we all just pay X million to murder a foreigner free and clear?
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