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re: Florence S.C. pastor refuses to give communion to Joe Biden
Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:11 am to Azkiger
Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:11 am to Azkiger
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Cuz consensual extramarital sex is pretty much the same thing as legalizing child murder, right?
I said no such thing, they are both bad people for different reasons. But you shouldn’t cast one down for a moral failing while ignoring the failings of another.
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Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:15 am to BamaGradinTn
Never mind, I misunderstood.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 12:18 am
Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:20 am to DeathAndTaxes
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I said no such thing, they are both bad people for different reasons. But you shouldn’t cast one down for a moral failing while ignoring the failings of another.
Why not? This is political.
How does Trump's adultery change laws or policy?
How does Biden's "Full term abortions are A-OK" change laws or policy.
I'm not looking to marry the president, where he sticks his dick doesn't concern me one bit. Full term abortions? Different story.
That's how why most people on the Poliboard like Trump and dislike other candidates.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 12:22 am
Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:31 am to Azkiger
I honestly don’t know how to respond to this, and I don’t mean that in a snarky way.
I suppose my point is that I don’t see how someone can cheer in this thread for Biden being denied communion, knowing that Trump would be unfit for communion as well (if he were Catholic.)
But your point is well taken. If someone is comfortable separating his politics from his character, then throw him right up on that pedestal.
I suppose my point is that I don’t see how someone can cheer in this thread for Biden being denied communion, knowing that Trump would be unfit for communion as well (if he were Catholic.)
But your point is well taken. If someone is comfortable separating his politics from his character, then throw him right up on that pedestal.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:45 am to DeathAndTaxes
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I suppose my point is that I don’t see how someone can cheer in this thread for Biden being denied communion, knowing that Trump would be unfit for communion as well (if he were Catholic.)
Ah, my mistake, I thought your conversation had left Catholicism and moved towards morality in general.
I'm an ex-Baptist (atheist atm) so I can't speak on the standards Catholics have on communion.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 12:46 am
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:26 am to SoulGlo
This was the wrong move. Unfortunate that no one here sees why
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:30 am to BamaGradinTn
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Far from punishing Biden, the purpose of denying him communion is to get him to repent and to keep him from spending eternity in hell.
Yes. Exactly. All of us should grasp this and that it applies to all of us.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:34 am to FightnBobLafollette
quote:Do not murder is one of the 10 commandments bruh
What did Christ say about abortion?
Posted on 10/29/19 at 3:13 am to L.A.
Good, the pastor did what he was suppose to do, or not do what he was not suppose to do
Posted on 10/29/19 at 4:33 am to L.A.
Communion is supposed to be between a person and God. The priest should have no say in who can partake. How does this priest know that Biden didn't repent of all his sins an hour before the communion? He doesn't. If a sinner takes part in communion for the wrong reason, then that it is on him.
The priest is merely there to provide the service.
The power that Catholics give to priests is antithetical to Jesus' teachings. Priests should be there to guide people spiritually. They are not intermediaries. They should lay out the guidelines for communion but not tell people if they can or cannot participate because there is no way that a priest can honestly know with 100% certainty what is in another person's heart.
The church I grew up in would pass around the communion tray and let people decide for themselves it they should participate. The pastor would not go around and tell people that he thought were sinners that they could not participate. (And we didn't need someone to feed us the wafer like we were children.)
A priest should always be willing to reach out to sinners. By refusing communion, he could have just hardened Biden's heart and made him less likely to give his life to Christ. People are less likely to join the church if they don't feel like they are a part of it.
And communion is just a ritual. It really means nothing. It's just a way for people to feel like they are closer to God. God isn't going to refuse someone that has given his life to Him entry to Heaven just because he doesn't do a silly ritual. Rituals are for humans, not God.
The priest is merely there to provide the service.
The power that Catholics give to priests is antithetical to Jesus' teachings. Priests should be there to guide people spiritually. They are not intermediaries. They should lay out the guidelines for communion but not tell people if they can or cannot participate because there is no way that a priest can honestly know with 100% certainty what is in another person's heart.
The church I grew up in would pass around the communion tray and let people decide for themselves it they should participate. The pastor would not go around and tell people that he thought were sinners that they could not participate. (And we didn't need someone to feed us the wafer like we were children.)
A priest should always be willing to reach out to sinners. By refusing communion, he could have just hardened Biden's heart and made him less likely to give his life to Christ. People are less likely to join the church if they don't feel like they are a part of it.
And communion is just a ritual. It really means nothing. It's just a way for people to feel like they are closer to God. God isn't going to refuse someone that has given his life to Him entry to Heaven just because he doesn't do a silly ritual. Rituals are for humans, not God.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 6:36 am to FightnBobLafollette
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What did Christ say about abortion?
A few things come to mind.
-Thou shalt not kill.
-John 16:21 ESV
When a woman is giving birth, she has sorrow because her hour has come, but when she has delivered the baby, she no longer remembers the anguish, for joy that a human being has been born into the world.
-Matthew 18:10 ESV
“See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father who is in heaven.
Yea, Christ didn’t seem to be much of a fan of harming a child. Especially since he knows us while we are in the womb. (Reference Jeremiah)
So, again, you’re an idiot.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 7:39 am to L.A.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 7:41 am to TenWheelsForJesus
You can certainly feel this way, but Catholics (including Biden), don’t. There are a number of things in your post that show you aren’t Catholic, and don’t understand the Catholic view of the Eucharist. I don’t think you are informed enough to really pass judgement on the priest in this situation.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 7:46 am to L.A.
Wow if that’s the case no one would get communion on Sunday’s.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:36 am to 3nOut
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don't be obtuse. the catholic church views abortion as a sin, and a politician advocating for abortion rights would be seen as defending sin.
I’m not being obtuse. Politics and religion have to be completely separate even from a priests POV.
By the same rationale, a priest should refuse communion to anyone in favor of the death penalty because that is murder.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:57 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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And communion is just a ritual. It really means nothing. It's just a way for people to feel like they are closer to God. God isn't going to refuse someone that has given his life to Him entry to Heaven just because he doesn't do a silly ritual. Rituals are for humans, not God.
Read your Bible.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:59 am to NeonSunburst
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He probably doesn't fkn like it. Don't lump all priests into one basket. And stay on topic or start your own thread.
Where did the priest touch you?
Posted on 10/29/19 at 9:20 am to dkreller
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By the same rationale, a priest should refuse communion to anyone in favor of the death penalty because that is murder.
i lend credence to that mostly. i've come to find the death penalty abhorrent in my 30s because of my pro-life views.
that being said, there is a biblical precedent for the death penalty as much as i don't like it.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 9:20 am to dkreller
quote:Big difference between having political views and being active in politics as your job. Your political views can result in actual policy and legislation.
Politics and religion have to be completely separate even from a priests POV.
quote:Not even in the same ballpark as abortion. The death penalty has always been viewed in the Bible as a legitimate means of taking life as the civil magistrate has the authority to punish evildoers. This example wouldn't fly with any priest or pastor who wasn't on the fringe.
By the same rationale, a priest should refuse communion to anyone in favor of the death penalty because that is murder.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 9:30 am to FooManChoo
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Big difference between having political views and being active in politics as your job. Your political views can result in actual policy and legislation.
that's my qualifier here.
AOC can walk around and scream "Abortion Abortion Abortion. I love abortion!" all day. While I disagree, she claims no faith and I have no expectation of her to have a different opinion. I find it despicable, but not hypocritical.
Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi have both said that their faith disagrees with it, but will support it for the politics.
As I've grown older, I have had to check a lot of conservative views at the door because they conflict with my faith. I fail at that often, but am open to learning and changing where I'm falling short (immigration, death penalty, welfare, race relations to name a few.) Joe and Nancy have said they flat out know better, but violate what they believe for the sake of their party/personal opinion.
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