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re: Francis is about to resign
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:34 pm to hnds2th
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:34 pm to hnds2th
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So the next time someone posts on tRant asking for prayers, your response should be “this isn’t necessary, ask God”.
This is actually a very practical approach to prayer. You obviously posted this to make a different point, but the point you might be unintentionally making is prayer is a psychological coping strategy.
If it works, great. The placebo effect probably works with prayer too. But for maximum efficiency, go straight to God.
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:36 pm to real turf fan
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IF he plans to resign, I'd expect it to happen after the appointment of additional cardinals later this summer, during the Vatican's usual vacation month. That way, his changes are more likely to remain in place.
Yeah, the replacements just for Napier and Scola for the conclave will be significant (unless they've already been made).
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:43 pm to 3Son
Sure wish we had a Religion Board. Get rid of a few existing to make room, Saint Chicken.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:45 pm to hnds2th
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You’ve never heard of a child going to his mother to ask his father for something on their behalf? That’s an intercession. “Mom, can you ask dad if I can go to the party on Friday night?” That’s what Mary does when she asks for things for us. But unlike our requests, hers are presented differently because of who she is.
Again, why would I ask Mary when I could just ask the guy who sent his Son to die as a sacrifice to atone for my sins? He seems like a pretty generous fellow. Not sure why I need an intercessor.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:47 pm to FlexDawg
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If you can’t tell that this world is more wicked than its ever been, then you may want to re-examine your faith and what it is you actually believe in.
The world is no more wicked today than it has been at any point in history. The fact that it is on our doorstep in the USA is the only change. That’s ego getting in the way of reality imo.
All your research will not change anything. Live right, and the rest takes care of itself. Take solace in the inevitability of it because you’ll either die before the end or you’ll witness it. Your destination will not change. If you lived right, you’re good. “Knowing” more than your neighbor doesn’t get you bonus points in the afterlife.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:50 pm to 3Son
Shh! Health and Fitness board is great. 
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:52 pm to tigercross
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Again, why would I ask Mary when I could just ask the guy who sent his Son to die as a sacrifice to atone for my sins? He seems like a pretty generous fellow. Not sure why I need an intercessor.
Couldn’t I do both?
Edit: revelation speaks about the intercession of the Saints. See Revelation 8 3-4 the smoke raising up to the altar is the prayer of the saints.
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:55 pm to catholictigerfan
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Couldn’t I do both?
I reckon you could, but I'm not sure how it would be more efficient than praying to God directly. If I pray to Mary, are my prayers prioritized over people who pray to St. Peter or St. Francis?
Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:01 pm to tigercross
1) see my edit. Revelation speaks about the intercession of saints.
2) We have a limited relationship with God or maybe better to call it union with God on this side of Heaven. While God certainly listens to our prayers and answers them. The saints in Heaven have a perfect union with God. It's kinda like going to someone wiser than yourself for advice, guidance, and help.
I understand your reasoning but the Saints are in heaven in union with God, and the Bible speaks about them praying too. Why not ask for their prayers for us?
2) We have a limited relationship with God or maybe better to call it union with God on this side of Heaven. While God certainly listens to our prayers and answers them. The saints in Heaven have a perfect union with God. It's kinda like going to someone wiser than yourself for advice, guidance, and help.
I understand your reasoning but the Saints are in heaven in union with God, and the Bible speaks about them praying too. Why not ask for their prayers for us?
Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:01 pm to Out da box
Once again, I'm pulling for Cardinal Sicola to be the new Pope.
Fingers crossed!!!!!
Fingers crossed!!!!!
Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:04 pm to catholictigerfan
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1) see my edit. Revelation speaks about the intercession of saints.
You're misinterpreting the meaning of "saints" in that particular verse. The saints it references are all believers in Jesus Christ. It could be Paul or it could be your Aunt Mary.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:11 pm to dr
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so no one said that before 1930?
try again
lol. I didn't say it was a pseudo/alternative historical theory. I said there is not even one piece of historical record such a silly a demonstrably false statement could be based on.
It is a statement more relatable to alternative historical fiction than anything in reality, and while it is a popular belief in the Evangelical community, it cannot be supported by anything in historical record.
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fact, and they are still doing it
Please detail these alleged persecutions of "true christians", when they occured, and how many were killed?
Again, this is another example of revisionist history nonsense. For example, without looking it up, how many people were executed during the spanish inquisition? Would you say hundreds? Thousands? Millions? Tens of Millions?
Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:14 pm to tigercross
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You're misinterpreting the meaning of "saints" in that particular verse. The saints it references are all believers in Jesus Christ. It could be Paul or it could be your Aunt Mary.
We can ask our Aunt Mary for intercession. I know that when the scripture speaks about saints they are not only talking about the people whom the Church has named Saints. Rather everyone who has died who are in Heaven. Actually St. Paul sometimes speaks about saints who have yet to die.
It seems clear to me that the Saints in Revelation are in Heaven praying. Even if Saint references those on earth, it seems obvious to me that the vision is Saints who are in Heaven.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:22 pm to anc
vatican city needs a new business model. That place would make a great amusement/water park. It has plenty of buildings for a several hotels and it already has a museum.
I think we could squeeze in a golf course too.
I think we could squeeze in a golf course too.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:35 pm to dr
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the sabbath is Saturday
Fixed.
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man changed it
No, he didn't. The Sabbath is still on Saturday. Christians who choose to work on Saturday and not dedicate it to God are going against God's Commandment.
Of course, people who worship Jesus instead of God are also going against God's Commandment. And then, if you hold a crucifix and pray to it, you are also going against God's Commandment.
It's almost like Christians never even heard of the Ten Commandments.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:44 pm to tigercross
Catholics don't read the Bible. They parrot whatever catechism crap they learn from middle school then roll with it.
Jesus said come unto me all yea with heavy burdens and I will give you rest.
1 John 2:1 plainly wrote "My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous."
Nothing about Mary or Saints. Its willful ignorance to believe so.
Jesus didn't say come to my doormen called Saints and I'll consider your request. Just dumb all the way around.
Jesus said come unto me all yea with heavy burdens and I will give you rest.
1 John 2:1 plainly wrote "My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous."
Nothing about Mary or Saints. Its willful ignorance to believe so.
Jesus didn't say come to my doormen called Saints and I'll consider your request. Just dumb all the way around.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:58 pm to tigercross
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why would I ask Mary when I could just ask the guy who sent his Son to die as a sacrifice to atone for my sins? He seems like a pretty generous fellow. Not sure why I need an intercessor.
Not only is He generous, but He is also all-knowing. Therefore, you don't have to ask Him for shite - he already knows what you want.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:58 pm to DiamondDog
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Catholics don't read the Bible.
Huh.
That’s funny. I could’ve sworn those two readings and the Gospel at Mass yesterday came straight from the Bible.
Sounds like somebody’s bearing false witness.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:01 pm to Godfather1
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That’s funny. I could’ve sworn those two readings and the Gospel at Mass yesterday came straight from the Bible. Sounds like somebody’s bearing false witness.
Doesn't sound like you read any of it. You just heard it all
point proven
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:01 pm to DiamondDog
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Catholics don't read the Bible.
I mean all religions are just corny to me.
Hey here’s this old book, let’s spend hours and hours misinterpreting every word and use it to tell others why they are doomed to hell unless they join our club.
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