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re: Healthcare cannot be fixed
Posted on 7/6/25 at 2:06 am to Taxing Authority
Posted on 7/6/25 at 2:06 am to Taxing Authority
Fast moving board tonight, sorry if i erred.
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Posted on 7/6/25 at 2:15 am to the808bass
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They take the money given to them by the consumer and then take away our agency. Cant you see how my argument that we don't need them is valid?
You should stop paying them right away then.
You don't even make a half assed attempt to address the quoted point. Pathetic.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 2:37 am to Grumpy Nemesis
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The idea that every single person has a right to access whatever Healthcare they need
Who says or supports this?
If you think EMTALA should be repealed, then state your case.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 2:41 am to Taxing Authority
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Inusrance companies are in a no win position.
Idk man, looks like they are doing a fair amount of winning from my perspective….
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And since they pay they determine the rules of the game.
And this is one of healthcare’s biggest problems.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 2:47 am to HeadCall
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Private hospitals and doctors will not be required nor obligated to treat anyone who can’t pay.
I don’t think most of you guys actually know how healthcare works in the US. I’m a private doctor. It’s not just that I don’t see patients without insurance in my office, it’s that I literally cannot. They can’t even get checked in at the front desk. So what you are describing already exists.
Again, emergency care is something totally different. And unless you are proposing that we start first checking insurance status on random John Doe’s that roll into the trauma bay after getting hit by a car, then none of you are actually offering solutions in this regard.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 2:49 am to Eurocat
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I know I will get tomatoes and potatoes thrown at me for saying this but this all is an argument for socialized medicine.
You do that and the quality and quantity of MDs goes away.
Do that to attorneys. Government decides what they can make and when people can use the court system. You also get assigned an attorney, no choosing.
Matter of fact, pick a profession and make that the rules, government controlled pricing and access.
Wait, thats what the NYC mayoral candidate Mamdani is running on.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 2:52 am to HeadCall
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Seems like a broken leg would require a visit to the hospital no?
Not true.
Further, who determines what “requires” a hospital visit?
The answer is the patient that makes the decision to go. There are a lot of people who treat EDs totally inappropriately.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 4:12 am to pankReb
We are the only country in the developed world that doesn’t have universal healthcare and yet we think it’s impossible. When did we start aiming so low?
Posted on 7/6/25 at 4:21 am to Eurocat
quote:Your assessment of "benefit" is based on the supplements I'm forced to pay you so you can call your plan "affordable."
We are working people too and greatly benefit from the chance to get an obama plan.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 4:31 am to pankReb
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Trump's bill during his first term to force hospitals to itemize bills was a good start to making sure you know what they're fricking you over on.
That sounds like it will make things more expensive. Plus all of the computer tracking of all the line items to the bill.
Instead of a few pages of a bill, you get mailed a booklet of all the line items you were charged that rivals the size of a bible.
Plus you will have insurance companies come in and say we will cover line items 3, 5, 54, etc. and deny the rest.
I would support a change to medical billing where hospitals and providers charge you only the negotiated rate.
I think Louisiana did something similar in its tort reform. Where if you are suing for medical payments, you cannot sue for the full medical bill, but the negotiated rate. So if I had to have surgery for an injury and the hospital billed me a million, but the negotiated rate with insurance is 40k, I can only sue for 40k. I cannot sue for the million. I wonder if that is how all the multi million dollar judgments come to be.
This post was edited on 7/6/25 at 4:36 am
Posted on 7/6/25 at 5:04 am to Taxing Authority
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Inusrance companies are in a no win position.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 5:37 am to pankReb
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Trump's bill during his first term to force hospitals to itemize bills was a good start to making sure you know what they're fricking you over on.
Absolutely and as much as I hate government intervention, it seems like there needs some kind of controls on pricing. I don’t know how you bring prices down, but the prices of some medical stuff is crazy. I don’t know the answer. Maybe completely transparency in pricing? Be able to open a brochure or go to a facility website and see exactly what they charge for each procedure. Have doctors and hospitals compete for business. I know it isn’t that simple because complications happen but it would be a start. Any thoughts on this or is it crazy?
Posted on 7/6/25 at 6:10 am to Hester5452007
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We are the only country in the developed world that doesn’t have universal healthcare and yet we think it’s impossible. When did we start aiming so low?
For example , Singapore has 6 million people… we have 340 million..
Does any of these countries have populations remotely close to ours to provide that for ?
One big problem is drug costs .
Here’s an example… let’s say a kid is born with HIV ( thanks mom and dad) .. of course the kid is on Medicaid.. the medicine is $5,000 a month. Every month, for 18 years, and likely will be on the dole fr years later, but for this example, This one person for one drug is costing 1 million dollars over time. And they’ll never put anywhere close to that into the system
It’s not feasible
This post was edited on 7/6/25 at 6:11 am
Posted on 7/6/25 at 6:24 am to Tarps99
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That sounds like it will make things more expensive. Plus all of the computer tracking of all the line items to the bill.
We have things like computers that keep up with all these things and does it for us. They’ve already been using them to do this exact thing.
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Plus you will have insurance companies come in and say we will cover line items 3, 5, 54, etc. and deny the rest.
This is already a thing.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 6:26 am to Hester5452007
quote:You have no clue as to WTF you're discussing.
universal healthcare
Ask Natasha Richardson about "universal" access to care which was/is literally available anywhere in the US.
WhoopsiDooo!
You can't ask Natasha,
because she died awaiting access to care in the Canadian "Universal Healthcare" system.
quote:This is the system you're effing lamenting for?
LINK ]Jan. 15, 2025
Hundreds of people line up outside the Walkerton Legion Hall on a cold and snowy day to sign up for a family doctor that will be opening a practice in the town.
This post was edited on 7/6/25 at 6:40 am
Posted on 7/6/25 at 6:26 am to Grumpy Nemesis
We just have to come up with a new definition of "fixed".
Posted on 7/6/25 at 6:26 am to Eurocat
Works in Taiwan. The more you make the more you pay for your insurance premium. But there is a cap.
Elective surgery and some other types of treatment aren't covered but it works well. An ER trip with my kid costs me 20 bucks usd.
Clinics are feeders to hospitals and visits are less than ten bucks including medicine. Pharmacy is onsite.
Hospital wait times can be long. Ther is queueing which you can monitor on your phone.
Elective surgery and some other types of treatment aren't covered but it works well. An ER trip with my kid costs me 20 bucks usd.
Clinics are feeders to hospitals and visits are less than ten bucks including medicine. Pharmacy is onsite.
Hospital wait times can be long. Ther is queueing which you can monitor on your phone.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 6:27 am to Grumpy Nemesis
The problem is the freeloaders who don’t pay anything so the rest of us make up the difference.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 6:38 am to TaipeiTiger
quote:Right.
Elective surgery and some other types of treatment aren't covered
.... and there's the catch.
Who determines what is elective?
What are the consequences/penalties for misjudgement ITR?
We don't even need to touch on the dearth of medical care outside of urban settings in Taiwan, the lack of OPT clinics, or the queues awaiting care at facilities. But I'm glad your anecdotal situation has worked thus far.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 6:45 am to Tarps99
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Plus all of the computer tracking of all the line items to the bill.
That's a wildcard we aren't factoring in.
We don't know what the future impact of AI or robo-docs will be on the industry.
It's possible they could bring costs dramatically down.
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