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re: How did we wind up at *ODDS* with Iran? Scott Horton explains.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 11:08 pm to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 7/4/25 at 11:08 pm to Bunk Moreland
WAPO? You can't be serious
Regardless, what they are saying is completely irrelevant because Islamic terrorism and all.
Regardless, what they are saying is completely irrelevant because Islamic terrorism and all.
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Posted on 7/4/25 at 11:08 pm to Bunk Moreland
quote:AND THERE IT IS
You sound like a neocon retard
I post facts
"mUh nEoCon"!!!!! DUH DUH DUH
Posted on 7/4/25 at 11:12 pm to Bunk Moreland
Bunk - deal with the facts. Islamic terrorism is a fact. They HATE you. They want you dead. They want to kill you and everyone you know. They will never stop. They can't be reasoned with. And Iran potentially supplying them with a nuclear weapon is absurdly unacceptable. We have the power to at least TRY to prevent us being attacked with the most powerful weapon ever invented that can kill hundreds of thousands of people in one blast. To not do so is stupid, shortsighted, naive and contrary to our vested interest in surviving
Posted on 7/4/25 at 11:12 pm to hansenthered1
quote:
frick tucker
the guy who tells the truth?
Posted on 7/4/25 at 11:14 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Iran declared war on us when they stormed our embassy and took our people hostage. frick those Moslem cocksuckers.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 11:22 pm to soonerinlOUisiana
The content of the podcast is for you.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 11:27 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
We have been at odds with them for decades.
They, somehow suck at war type stuff more than 2002 Iraq
They, somehow suck at war type stuff more than 2002 Iraq
Posted on 7/4/25 at 11:51 pm to somethingdifferent
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Another textbook example of naivety. Newsflash, Islamic terrorists hated you LONG before the US govt started intervening in ME affairs.
They don't hate me, and I don't live in fear anyway.
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A state sponsor of terrorism who has repeatedly kicked international inspectors our of their country and enriched nuclear weapons materials FAR beyond civilian use???? You can't be serious.
Why are you bringing up Israel?
Posted on 7/5/25 at 12:21 am to somethingdifferent
Is your dumb thread supposed to mean something?
Iran wants nothing to do with a direct conflict. At all.
Iran wants nothing to do with a direct conflict. At all.
Posted on 7/5/25 at 12:42 am to 3down10
quote:Yes they do. You can continue to be ignorant and naive or you can get educated on what an infidel is.
They don't hate me
quote:Are you willing to sacrifice the safety of your loved ones because you are being negligent?
I don't live in fear anyway
quote:Israel does not sponsor terrorist attacks on Israel or the US. Iran does
Why are you bringing up Israel?
Posted on 7/5/25 at 12:43 am to Indefatigable
quote:Yes. Facts
Is your dumb thread supposed to mean something?
quote:You are wrong. You can continue to be ignorant and naive or you can get educated on Islamic terrorism
Iran wants nothing to do with a direct conflict. At all
Posted on 7/5/25 at 12:47 am to 3down10
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Don't forget it took nearly 2 years of war drums beating before we entered Iraq.
I guess you forgot about Kuwait
Eta disclaimer I don’t believe we should’ve ever touched Iraq after Afghanistan.
This post was edited on 7/5/25 at 12:48 am
Posted on 7/5/25 at 1:21 am to somethingdifferent
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Yes they do. You can continue to be ignorant and naive or you can get educated on what an infidel is.
I'm not an infidel.
quote:
Are you willing to sacrifice the safety of your loved ones because you are being negligent?
This is a false dilemma.
quote:
Israel does not sponsor terrorist attacks on Israel or the US. Iran does
WT7 didn't kill itself.
Posted on 7/5/25 at 1:23 am to Bunk Moreland
quote:
he bombing was totally unnecessary
False
Posted on 7/5/25 at 1:25 am to dkreller
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I guess you forgot about Kuwait
Eta disclaimer I don’t believe we should’ve ever touched Iraq after Afghanistan.
Kuwait happened pretty quickly, it was mostly a matter of waiting to get the troops in position and basically destroying most things with air superiority.
They didn't have to drum up support since Saddam invaded Kuwait and it was all over TV - the only source of information. It was widely supported at the time - and then it came time to pay for it, and not so much support.
Posted on 7/5/25 at 1:51 am to 3down10
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I'm not an infidel.
yes you are.
this is getting so tiresome. Islam wasn’t a peaceful utopia until 1948. you people love to talk about history.
fine. let’s talk about history
Posted on 7/5/25 at 5:42 am to SouthEasternKaiju
Scott Horton is a clueless hack who has a cult following of hippies
Posted on 7/5/25 at 7:03 am to Bunk Moreland
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That’s fine, but the bombing was totally unnecessary and we were gaslit into thinking it had to happen.
Yet even assuming Iran was on the precipice of developing nuclear weapons, why do so many alleged “conservatives” believe that this is a problem that should rightly be solved by the United States? The answer is that decades of brainwashing has convinced multiple generations of Americans that it is God Ordained that the United States should serve as a Global Military Police Force.
Israel is a wealthy and wholly secularist state with a generous cradle-to-grave welfare system and a high living standard that rivals all but the largest European nations. Israel further is a nuclear armed power and possesses a throughly modern and devastatingly effective military.
In addition to Israel, the last thing Saudi Arabia and Turkey want to confront is a nuclear armed Iran. Like Saudi Arabia, many of the other Gulf States are prosperous nations with modern militaries.
In short, the rest of the nations in the region — many obscenely wealthy — have plenty of motivation to align and counter Iran’s hegemonic ambitions in the region. Would someone please explain on what basis the United States is expected to subsidize the defense of these country’s existence into perpetuity?
This post was edited on 7/5/25 at 7:06 am
Posted on 7/5/25 at 7:35 am to 3down10
When someone is pissed off with you, they will tell you why they are pissed at you. Take Bin Laden, he kept saying why he was pissed off and it had nothing to do with Christianity vs Islam....or our freedoms, etc. He was mad that we had troops stationed in Saudi Arabia....their Holy Land and our continued support for Israel because of Israel's treatment of Palestinians.
On Iran, the Islamists will tell you things about Mossadegh, but the truth is they are still pissed at the Shah....Mossadegh is convenient as they had little use for him and the proto Communists in 51-53. The mullahs were pissed off at the Shah over money. In the late 50s early 60s the Shah executed a program called the White Revolution which was a major land reform initiative. The mullahs had lots of land and the Shah basically started taking it away from them, subdivision it and gave it to peasants. They were pissed off the mullahs who had a lot of local control as they had their fiefdoms. Enter Khomeini who had a personal beef with the Pahlavi family.
Khomeini hated Pahlavi so much that anyone who helped him was now his enemy. Anyone who helped him.....ever. He wanted the Shah dead, because the Shah's father killed HIS father ( allegedly). Shah was not a good guy by any stretch, threw political opponents in jail, even killed some.....and he was rapidly westernized the country without caring all that much about the consequences on the society - see White Revolution and the other side of the land reform.
On Iran, the Islamists will tell you things about Mossadegh, but the truth is they are still pissed at the Shah....Mossadegh is convenient as they had little use for him and the proto Communists in 51-53. The mullahs were pissed off at the Shah over money. In the late 50s early 60s the Shah executed a program called the White Revolution which was a major land reform initiative. The mullahs had lots of land and the Shah basically started taking it away from them, subdivision it and gave it to peasants. They were pissed off the mullahs who had a lot of local control as they had their fiefdoms. Enter Khomeini who had a personal beef with the Pahlavi family.
Khomeini hated Pahlavi so much that anyone who helped him was now his enemy. Anyone who helped him.....ever. He wanted the Shah dead, because the Shah's father killed HIS father ( allegedly). Shah was not a good guy by any stretch, threw political opponents in jail, even killed some.....and he was rapidly westernized the country without caring all that much about the consequences on the society - see White Revolution and the other side of the land reform.
This post was edited on 7/5/25 at 7:37 am
Posted on 7/5/25 at 8:37 am to 3down10
quote:How can you be this ignorant. Even if you are Muslim, if you don't believe in punishing infidels through jihad, if you're a "peaceful" modern Muslim, the jihadists will kill you too. Maybe you're a jihadist in which case, you're the enemy
I'm not an infidel
quote:Explain 9/11. What if it's a nuclear weapon next time? It's absolutely not a false dilemma. Islamic terrorists have attacked America. That's a fact
This is a false dilemma
quote:So something carried out by Muslims, you're blaming Israel for? Explain that. Explain how Attah and crew were actually Israelis
WT7 didn't kill itself
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