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Posted on 10/15/25 at 1:43 pm to Riolobo
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How is there a shutdown with Republicans having majority?
Is this your first time diving into the realm of politics in the U.S. and how the Senate works?
Posted on 10/15/25 at 1:45 pm to soonerinlOUisiana
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Senate filibuster rule, dumbfvck. Should the senate change its rules?
It’s been done before. The people this board supports simply don’t have to guts to do it here.
This post was edited on 10/15/25 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 10/15/25 at 1:47 pm to Riolobo
Some of y'all grew up with no Schoolhouse Rock, and it shows.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 1:47 pm to donut
Given a choice between gov shutdown, and opening the door for Democrats to use the nuclear option, I'd take the shutdown for however long it lasts.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 1:47 pm to Riolobo
How can you post with an IQ below 75????
Posted on 10/15/25 at 1:54 pm to BearCrocs
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Whats fricking retarded as the Senate decided to frick off until October 21st.
No shite
They should frick off much longer than that
Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:22 pm to Riolobo
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Republicans have house and senate majority. How does the shutdown vote keep getting blocked?
You could have just googled it.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 3:03 pm to 3down10
quote:Excellent summary from AI;
Isn't that just a senate rule the deep state uses to prevent people from opposing them?
The “60-vote requirement” in the U.S. Senate is not a constitutional rule but the practical result of how the Senate’s filibuster and cloture procedures have evolved. Here’s a concise history:
1. Early Senate Rules (1789–1917): Unlimited Debate
• The original Senate rules had no way to cut off debate, allowing unlimited discussion.
• This practice—though not called a filibuster at first—let any senator delay or block a vote simply by refusing to yield the floor.
• The framers assumed “senatorial courtesy” would prevent abuse, but over time, obstruction became more common.
2. The First Cloture Rule (1917): Rule XXII
• In response to a filibuster that blocked President Wilson’s wartime bill during World War I, the Senate adopted Rule XXII, creating a way to end debate by cloture.
• It required two-thirds of senators present and voting to agree to end debate.
? With 96 senators, that usually meant 64 votes if all were present.
3. 1975 Reform: The Modern “60-Vote” Standard
• Amid frustration over repeated filibusters during the 1960s and early 1970s (notably on civil-rights bills), the Senate revised Rule XXII.
• The threshold was changed from two-thirds present and voting to three-fifths of the entire Senate (currently 60 of 100).
• This number became the de facto requirement to advance most legislation—hence the “60 votes” shorthand.
4. The “Silent Filibuster” and Norm Changes (1970s–present)
• The 1970s also saw introduction of dual-tracking, letting the Senate set aside a filibustered bill and move to other business.
• That ended the era of marathon “talking filibusters” but made obstruction much easier—any threatened filibuster now effectively required 60 votes to overcome.
• As partisan polarization grew, routine use of the filibuster turned the Senate into a 60-vote body for nearly all major action.
5. Exceptions and the “Nuclear Option”
• 2013: Democrats reduced the threshold to a simple majority for most executive and judicial nominations (except the Supreme Court).
• 2017: Republicans extended that to Supreme Court nominees.
• Legislation and constitutional amendments still require 60 votes for cloture unless passed through budget reconciliation, which bypasses the filibuster.
Summary
Year Change Effective Threshold
1789–1917 Unlimited debate No limit
1917 Rule XXII (two-thirds present) ˜ 64 votes
1975 Amended to three-fifths of all senators 60 votes
2013 Simple majority for lower nominees 51 votes
2017 Simple majority for Supreme Court 51 votes
Posted on 10/15/25 at 3:05 pm to Riolobo
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How is there a shutdown with Republicans having majority?
Because the Democrats suddenly love the filibuster.
Have you heard any Republicans trying to pull the stunt the Democrats tried and change the rules and eliminate the filibuster?
Posted on 10/15/25 at 3:09 pm to Riolobo
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Republicans have house and senate majority. How does the shutdown vote keep getting blocked?
My answer to you is that you should sign up for a high school civics class with a good teacher. Because if you had a good teacher the first time you weren't paying attention.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 3:13 pm to FreddieMac
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Because they are scared of their own shadow and think like losers. Get rid of the filibuster, its unconstitutional, and grow a pair. Our system is not designed to work with this quasi super majority in the Senate to get anything done.
I agree with this. They think that if they do that now, the Dems will do it on everything when they get control.
I have news for them. The Dems will do it anyway.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 3:20 pm to Riolobo
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Republicans have house and senate majority. How does the shutdown vote keep getting blocked?
Have they stopped teaching civics in Louisiana middle schools?
Posted on 10/15/25 at 3:27 pm to Riolobo
Because Democrats are demanding something that is unrealistic in order to be able to attend the No Kings March. The Government will open back up after that.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 3:37 pm to Wolfhound45
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2. The First Cloture Rule (1917): Rule XXII
• In response to a filibuster that blocked President Wilson’s wartime bill during World War I, the Senate adopted Rule XXII, creating a way to end debate by cloture.
So yes.
Good read though, thanks for posting it.
We really need single issue bills so they can stop hiding the deep state support behind things like military pay.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 3:40 pm to jrodLSUke
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The Republicans would still need 60 votes in the Senate to end a filibuster for a Budget.
I didn't say they didn't - although, technically, they don't.
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they proposed the same exact CR that Democrats passed for Biden.
That's a problem, frick that shite.
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The idea was to keep the Gov open for now, and continue working on a Budget
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which can't be passed without getting votes from 7-10 Democrats.
It could if we had one.
I'm sick and tired of all the excuses.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 3:41 pm to Riolobo
quote:Fill A Buster
How is there a shutdown with Republicans having majority?
Posted on 10/15/25 at 3:43 pm to Wolfhound45
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Do you understand the requirement for sixty votes in the Senate?
Yes.
But you don't seem to understand how important it is to balance the budget and stop issuing debt.
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They need seven Democrats to join them and they refuse to.
No they don't, they could end the filibuster rule. I'm sick and tired of these parties blaming the minority for not getting things done that need to be done.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 3:51 pm to Harry Boutte
What I don't understand is what are the Republicans scared of using the nuclear option?
they cave and give the dems everything they want when the dems are in power anyway. hell, this very CR they are filibustering is from the dems during Biden's tenure.
I kinda feel like Trump is loving this. Just keep the whole thing closed. Anything that doesn't cause a horrible disruption of our day to day lives has now been self identified as not needed.
they cave and give the dems everything they want when the dems are in power anyway. hell, this very CR they are filibustering is from the dems during Biden's tenure.
I kinda feel like Trump is loving this. Just keep the whole thing closed. Anything that doesn't cause a horrible disruption of our day to day lives has now been self identified as not needed.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 4:11 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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What I don't understand is what are the Republicans scared of using the nuclear option?
Because making a balanced budget is hard work that could reflect poorly on incumbents in the short term.
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I kinda feel like Trump is loving this. Just keep the whole thing closed. Anything that doesn't cause a horrible disruption of our day to day lives has now been self identified as not needed.
Agreed, it does seem like it could identify areas for cutting - should they ever want to balance the budget. As long as the shut down doesn't end up costing more than just staying in business.
But no budget will be balanced until Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and defense funding are reformed.
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