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Posted on 12/5/25 at 5:59 am to UptownJoeBrown
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Been following politics a long time since Carter.
I have never seen politics this vile, abusive, toxic, violent, combative EVER as today is.
Everything is so out the box it’s really unsettling.
I put a lot of this on the rise of advocacy journalism as well as politics becoming more mainstream. We learned from COVID that an alarming amount of people are willing to blindly follow others they view as being authoritative (ie: not stopping to think on the rationality of something even if it seems preposterous as well as willfully ignoring and then being resistant to accepting facts which are contrary to the authority/ies' stance). These types are the most likely to be tribalistic about their politics and they are constantly being ginned up into acting out against the other political tribe.
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I also never have seen Democrats act like they do now. They used to be so live and let live and respect for everyone with some sensible social issue . Now it’s goose step to our psychotic talking points or be destroyed.
The Democratic party began failing when they began evolving from the live-and-let-live philosophy being a core tenet to that of group identity and victimization. That ideology is a stronger emotional appeal than whatever the GOP pushes (usually something like "personal responsibility" or "defend our nation").
The problem for the Left is that such an ideology has a shelf-life before people get tired of hearing how Group X has it so bad and begin tuning them out. This means the Left has to constantly reach to find new groups to position as "victims". The deeper into the fringe you go, you find that the people in those fringe groups are increasingly imbalanced. Currently the Left is so far into their fringe they are trying to normalize trannies, hide pedos behind trannies and advocate for mass illegal immigration (even though the societies created by large amounts of illegals are often antithetical to the other groups).
When you treat with people that emotionally stable and then reject them, they react strongly and that rejection fuels them to continue reacting strongly.
While this is going on, the more moderate people on the left side of the political aisle have been distancing themselves from that. They don't necessarily feel at home on the right side of the aisle, but they definitely recognize their side no longer represents them.
To tie this back to the first part, the advocacy journalism positions the identity politics of the Left as a fight for freedom/democracy/rights, etc. So in the mind of a moderate, they are also being hit with "if you are against these groups of victims, then you are against... Democracy (*insert heavenly choir singing here*)!" The more emotionally-based a person on the Left is, the more that message resonates enough to guilt them into staying on that side of the aisle.
Over time though, the natural movement further and further into the fringe also means the rhetoric gets crazier and crazier, eventually getting to the point where the more emotionally-based people can no longer avoid the reality of its insanity (we're in the early stages right now).
By centering more towards their fringe, the Left has abdicated "traditional values" (nuclear family, strong defense, etc) so what the Right has done has been to point that out as well as point out why it's a bad idea.
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I’ve really tried to take a hard look at Republicans to see what changed? I don’t see much difference from when I was a kid. But the Democrats? It just blows my mind how different they are now. So extreme left. And half the country votes for them!
Well, let's not discount voter fraud (and we know how the fringe Left looooooves them some "no voter ID" rhetoric). See also: replacement theory.
Also, while any wins the Left makes may tone down the crazy a bit, it's only temporary. Their fringe gets crazier whether they win or lose, the only difference being what type of crazy. As that continues, they will continue to push non-fringe types away and they will cause them to act out even more in a slow, downward spiral.
This post was edited on 12/5/25 at 7:11 am
Posted on 12/5/25 at 6:01 am to UptownJoeBrown
Blame the MSM not even attempting to show balance, “influencers”, and social media giving the cat ladies a platform. And don’t think that JoeTato giving billions to radical NGO’s like the bogus ones Soros has haven’t affected things.
Stir in a mass influx of illegals that hate the US and the racial tension Obama continues to foster, and it’s only going to get worse.
Stir in a mass influx of illegals that hate the US and the racial tension Obama continues to foster, and it’s only going to get worse.
This post was edited on 12/5/25 at 6:02 am
Posted on 12/5/25 at 6:07 am to UptownJoeBrown
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I have never seen Politics this divisive.
Oh, you haven't seen anything yet. Just wait until the left gets the presidency and congress.
This post was edited on 12/5/25 at 8:03 am
Posted on 12/5/25 at 6:07 am to Icansee4miles
Im a Registered Independent since 1996 (#humblebrag).. and while i lean Left on a lot of things, i dont lean Left on everything.. im a little like ya boy Bill Maher, i call out both sides when needed- yet i find so much more hypocrisy & horseshite on the Right to call out, usually .. i can tell if someone’s a partisan hack if they believe in and defend literally *everything* on their chosen side.. if you are a. “Conservative”, then list just two conservative beliefs/positions you DONT agree with so that we will know you are not a partisan hack if.. same if you consider yourself Progressive, list two Progressive things you dont like .
Posted on 12/5/25 at 6:08 am to BK Lounge
I’ll go first, even though im neither of those things., as an Independent who often leans Left, i do think our borders should be enforced.. i dont think they should be wide open .. im really going out on a limb there, I know
Also i dont like the current tax system .. i am a proponent of the flat tax.. i have long thought the IRS should be eliminated .. every American citizen should do their taxes on the back of a postcard (or the online equivalent ).. each person pays a flat 18% of their income in taxes,, whether you are Larry Ellison or the school janitor .. that is a conservative idea .
Also i dont like the current tax system .. i am a proponent of the flat tax.. i have long thought the IRS should be eliminated .. every American citizen should do their taxes on the back of a postcard (or the online equivalent ).. each person pays a flat 18% of their income in taxes,, whether you are Larry Ellison or the school janitor .. that is a conservative idea .
Posted on 12/5/25 at 6:08 am to UptownJoeBrown
Twitter is a Cess Pool of nonsense.
You have a bunch of twenty somethings spamming all day under some 70 yr old Congressman's name to trigger MAGA and vise versa .
Half of these accounts aren't even in the US
If Trump takes a shite they all post that shitting will be the end of democracy as we know it.
You have a bunch of twenty somethings spamming all day under some 70 yr old Congressman's name to trigger MAGA and vise versa .
Half of these accounts aren't even in the US
If Trump takes a shite they all post that shitting will be the end of democracy as we know it.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 6:16 am to Bard
quote:Extremely well said.
The problem for the Left is that such an ideology has a shelf-life before people get tired of hearing how Group X has it so bad and begin tuning them out. This means the Left has to constantly reach to find new groups to position as "victims". The deeper into the fringe you go, you find that the people in those fringe groups are increasingly imbalanced. Currently the Left is so far into their fringe they are trying to normalize trannies, hide pedos behind trannies and advocate for mass illegal immigration (even though the societies created by large amounts of illegals are often antithetical to the other groups).
quote:The problems here are the dearth of moderates willing to call out the crazy. Bill Mahr is about the only one I can think of.
While this is going on, the more moderate people on the left side of the political aisle have been distancing themselves from that. They don't necessarily feel at home on the right side of the aisle, but they definitely recognize their side no longer represents them.
And most importantly, no matter how nuts their fringe is, the “moderates” STILL VOTE WITH THEM! No matter how insane their fringe position they are still voting to support it.
Because OMB. Trump is just the excuse to do so.
quote:I think you got that crossed up. The left stridently opposes traditional values. In their lexicon they are the source of all evil.
By centering more towards their fringe, the Left has advocated "traditional values" (nuclear family, strong defense, etc) so what the Right has done has been to point that out as well as point out why it's a bad idea.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 6:18 am to BK Lounge
Dude your assertions are melodramatic and are very stereotypical. True, MAGA types don't necessarily want to be left alone, but they aren't anywhere near the full reactionary like you suggest. The Left is just as fukked up as MAGA.
The right is using tranny/DEI/ communist name calling
The left is using fascist/ Nazi name calling
Both sides play the misinformation game
Both would deprive you of some of if not most of your rights in an attempt to force an orthodoxy if truly given a chance
The right is using tranny/DEI/ communist name calling
The left is using fascist/ Nazi name calling
Both sides play the misinformation game
Both would deprive you of some of if not most of your rights in an attempt to force an orthodoxy if truly given a chance
Posted on 12/5/25 at 6:23 am to BK Lounge
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anti-choice and all the rest
Guess we know what side you're on... pro-murder.
Why did you dotards change the wording from pro-life vs pro-choice to "anti-choice"?
How bout this... pro-life vs pro-murder?
You want to be legally and morally permitted to kill children and WE are the bad guys? Really? I laugh at your absurdity.
And what's wrong with lower taxes? Even the Devil knows you can always pay more taxes if YOU want to... get yer hand out of everyone else's pocket.
Murder and theft... that is what you stand for.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 6:27 am to BK Lounge
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If the right had their way, every single American would attend a Christian church .. and have 3 or 4 kids.. and no one would be allowed to get or perform an abortion .. and every single college professor would have to be aligned with Christian, Conservative beliefs, lest they be “omg indoctrinating !!” The college students.. and school teachers would need to be trained to carry guns in their classrooms … Dont get it twisted, i am not arguing for the validity of ANY of those things, or their consequences for society, or any of that- i just want to know how the frick all those things are not an attempt to control people ??
All laws, both social and religious, are attempts to control people. The rules created in Western Civilizations actually give you more rights than anywhere else on earth, but there are requirements.
When our forefathers created this Republic they required white European men of good moral character to become citizens. Those morally good men were almost 100% Christian. The ones that weren’t were still white European males deemed morally good, and were never forced to attend any church gatherings.
The problem today is multiculturalism. When everyone is a like kind culture your nation state can overcome a small amount of non conforming residents as long as they come from the same ethno stock and have the natural understanding of morality and civic sense.
When you have a bunch of 3rd world subhumans who worship pedophiles and Pokémon characters, and have no moral fiber or civic sense, nor the developed cognitive abilities to do so, coupled with a population so dense they no longer need to attempt to assimilate if they could, you must push back harder than ever in hopes to reverse the Republic back to a sustainable level.
We just need shitlibs to realize they can be shitlibs as long as they don’t continue to try to burn down the Republic from the inside with 3rd world subhumans.
Capisci?
This post was edited on 12/5/25 at 6:30 am
Posted on 12/5/25 at 6:28 am to UptownJoeBrown
I thought the media would stop playing for the democrats just a little bit. Mamdani happened and they are going full speed.
Newsome was criticized by Halle Berry and celebs yesterday. Mark Kelly is all they got. With Shapiro bashing Kamala coming in second.
They twist headlines to favor democrats and nevertrumpers.
Newsome was criticized by Halle Berry and celebs yesterday. Mark Kelly is all they got. With Shapiro bashing Kamala coming in second.
They twist headlines to favor democrats and nevertrumpers.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 6:33 am to SlayTime
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All laws, both social and religious, are attempts to control people
Agreed.. so why dont you tell that to the guy i was replying to, who literally said that the Left wants to control people and the Right wants to be left alone.. it sounds like you and i are saying the exact same thing, which is that he is full of shite .
As to the people who think im bashing religion or whatever- as i stated in my first post in this thread, my intent isnt to debate the merits of any of that stuff.. my only point is that the majority of people on the Right love to control people .
Posted on 12/5/25 at 6:36 am to UptownJoeBrown
1900 - 1950 Was by far the most divisive time ever in the history. Of politics.
Its not debatable. 100mm people died.
Yall need to realize this.
Want a clearer picture read Bloodlands : Europe between Hitler and Stalin.
It will change your perspective of what "divisive" is.
Its not debatable. 100mm people died.
Yall need to realize this.
Want a clearer picture read Bloodlands : Europe between Hitler and Stalin.
It will change your perspective of what "divisive" is.
This post was edited on 12/5/25 at 6:38 am
Posted on 12/5/25 at 6:38 am to BK Lounge
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my only point is that the majority of people on the Right love to control people
So your opinion is the right enacts laws and social policies to control people more than democrats?
Posted on 12/5/25 at 6:52 am to UptownJoeBrown
There is one guy that has a lot of ownership in this and you'll refuse to acknowledge it
Posted on 12/5/25 at 7:05 am to BK Lounge
I think you are wrong about Republicans.
For the record my husband is not really religious. I'm the religious one, but we are both MAGA!
My 30 year old daughter is disabled. She has a brain injury. I know lots of parents with disabled kids.
Helping disabled people is not something conservatives are known for.
I can't talk to liberals about the problems with education or services. They get too easily offended if you say there are problems in the public school system.
I know I can have a conversation with a Republican about the problems I see with helping really disabled people. (And I mean the really disabled like down syndrome, blind). Even if I mention that I think the govt should help the truly severely disabled.
A Republican might say that they don't think the govt should help, but they aren't going to call me names or shoot me down. They will listen to me.
For the record my husband is not really religious. I'm the religious one, but we are both MAGA!
My 30 year old daughter is disabled. She has a brain injury. I know lots of parents with disabled kids.
Helping disabled people is not something conservatives are known for.
I can't talk to liberals about the problems with education or services. They get too easily offended if you say there are problems in the public school system.
I know I can have a conversation with a Republican about the problems I see with helping really disabled people. (And I mean the really disabled like down syndrome, blind). Even if I mention that I think the govt should help the truly severely disabled.
A Republican might say that they don't think the govt should help, but they aren't going to call me names or shoot me down. They will listen to me.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 7:06 am to BK Lounge
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I grew up in the American South, and almost all the Maga folk i know today from there, almost to a person they wrap up their Christian (mostly Catholic) beliefs with guns, and lower taxes and anti-choice and all the rest .. it’s like to believe in just one of these things, they have to tie themselves up into a pretzel with mental gymnastics to also believe in the other stuff .
But the overwhelming majority don't believe they have the right to force those beliefs on me. There's the gaping chasm between the two sides. The alliance with the religious right has always made me a little uneasy but then I hear a Democrat talk and shite gets easier.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 7:11 am to UptownJoeBrown
Politics are downstream of culture.
Perhaps a culture that has somehow crumbled so far that 92% of all females under the age of 30 just voted for a Muslim communist piece of shite in New York is a reason for our division and not a sympton.
Perhaps a culture that has somehow crumbled so far that 92% of all females under the age of 30 just voted for a Muslim communist piece of shite in New York is a reason for our division and not a sympton.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 7:14 am to UptownJoeBrown
CIA is running a color revolution on us.
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