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re: Insuring pre-existing conditions
Posted on 5/10/14 at 5:31 pm to Rex
Posted on 5/10/14 at 5:31 pm to Rex
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I pay taxes to help subsidize your employer paying for your healthcare. Is that also theft?
Incentivizing employers to provide healthcare coverage in the form of PAYING less taxes is not theft. Forcing someone to subsidize the healthcare cost of an abled bodied person who CHOOSES not to work is THEFT.
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Posted on 5/10/14 at 5:38 pm to Zach
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I am elected President Zach. I do an executive order that anyone with the initials RK shall have all of his property taxed and given to the poor.
This would be illegal in about a dozen different ways, but it wouldnt be theft.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 5:40 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Taking your money/property illegally isn't theft?
This would be illegal in about a dozen different ways, but it wouldnt be theft
Posted on 5/10/14 at 5:50 pm to NC_Tigah
Would such an act be charged as theft?
Posted on 5/10/14 at 5:52 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:
This would be illegal in about a dozen different ways, but it wouldnt be theft.
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Would such an act be charged as theft?
So because the government takes it, it can't be theft? Because the government kills innocent civilians it can't be murder?
I don't base my morality on what the government or society deems right or wrong.
This post was edited on 5/10/14 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 5/10/14 at 7:01 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Would such an act be charged as theft?
I'm genuinely curious if you're being intentionally obtuse or if it just comes naturally.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 7:25 pm to MMauler
This is the fundamental difference in ideology. Rex thinks income is the governments property and any amount not taxed is welfare. Sane people think keeping their own earned income is not welfare.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 7:26 pm to Roger Klarvin
Look up louisiana's definition of theft. 14:67.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 8:04 pm to MMauler
quote:subsidizing healthcare costs for those with pre-existing conditions through ACA is mostly geared towards those who are not able bodied. I'm not trying to suggest they can't work but their physical productivity is not on par with someone like you and me.
Forcing someone to subsidize the healthcare cost of an abled bodied person who CHOOSES not to work is THEFT.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:10 pm to Big Scrub TX
I love the irony of those wanting insurance for pre-existing conditions. If they truly got what they asked for, their premiums would go through the roof, given that bitch of a concept called statistics.
The vast majority of the American people are too damn stupid for their own good.
The vast majority of the American people are too damn stupid for their own good.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:52 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Exactly my point
You sure could. You'd get no customers
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:54 pm to Roger Klarvin
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the very definition of taxation prevents it from being theft.
just because government sanctions it... Doesn't mean it isn't theft. Let's not forget who writes the law. Posted on 5/10/14 at 10:50 pm to HonoraryCoonass
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Not insurance.
perfect answer.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 10:51 pm to Taxing Authority
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just because government sanctions it... Doesn't mean it isn't theft
well, it sort of does. not all bad takings are theft.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 10:52 pm to Qwerty
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I don't base my morality on what the government or society deems right or wrong.
right but morals and crimes are no coextensive. a thing can be immoral and be legal and moral and be illegal.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 11:04 pm to Big Scrub TX
It's obviously impossible. Can't have affordable "insurance" that covers preexisting conditions.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 11:04 pm to McLemore
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a thing can be immoral and be legal and moral and be illegal
That was my point. Hence why it can be theft even if sanctioned by the government.
This post was edited on 5/10/14 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 5/10/14 at 11:17 pm to McLemore
quote:Indeed. As I said...
well, it sort of does. not all bad takings are theft.
quote:
Paying taxes for public goods is not theft. Paying taxes for another's personal expenses... is straight up theft.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 11:25 pm to Big Scrub TX
No, and I have one. It makes no sense for the insurer to insure me under a normal plan. I have no right to health insurance. It is not an entitlement. Health insurers are private organizations and should have the right to refuse service for any reason whatsoever, especially if they are losing money on the contract right out of the gate.
Because of Obamacare, my new health insurer is losing over $5,000 on me annually right out of the gate, and that is assuming no complications.
A plan that would make sense for an insurer for ensure me is a plan where the deductible is at least $5,000 and they cover very little - just a backstop to avoid me going bankrupt should something happen. I would get that plan up to a pretty hefty premium.
Because of Obamacare, my new health insurer is losing over $5,000 on me annually right out of the gate, and that is assuming no complications.
A plan that would make sense for an insurer for ensure me is a plan where the deductible is at least $5,000 and they cover very little - just a backstop to avoid me going bankrupt should something happen. I would get that plan up to a pretty hefty premium.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 12:13 am to Big Scrub TX
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I wish people could stick to the topic without resorting to asinine irrelevance.
You dumbass, that is exactly analogous.
"Insurance" is a hedge against something that hasn't happened yet. "Insurance against pre-existing conditions" is getting someone else to pay for your known medical problem."
I wish people could avoid being stupid.
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