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re: Interesting stabilized shot of Pretti's death.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I addressed it with my edit (bolded to make that easier to find)
You are admitting to me that you indeed would have a problem with people who disagree with you obstructing your ability to do your job but still being held liable for the outcome.
Maybe the federal ice agents feel the same way.
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:16 pm to SallysHuman
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I'm not distracting him by watching youtubes or x videos.
Naw, you'e just going to distract him by typing every 45 seconds.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:16 pm to wackatimesthree
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You should have just told powerman, "I don't care what your description is because I've already decided that this couldn't have happened unless it was the protestor's fault
Given nobody knows all the facts of the incident, isn't the precisely what the other side of the argument is doing as well?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:16 pm to Azkiger
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That's not established at this point.
Well the gun thing is almost as bad, but I covered that
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likely due to LEO negligence/mistakes)
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he rose back up (didn't try and stay down) AND reached behind himself, into his waistband.
You may as well repeat the talking points that he bit off the finger of one of the agents and brandished his gun
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:17 pm to Robin Masters
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You are admitting
Only that your attempt at an argument is batshit
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:17 pm to Azkiger
First shot is fired before his hand goes behind his back. That is his phone.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:18 pm to wackatimesthree
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I assume something happened prior to the shove.
That's a hell of an unfounded assumption.
So, you and powerman are telling me that when I watch this video, I will witness agents attacking a woman for no reason at all.
I doubt it, but I'll definitely give it a look-see once school is over for the day. If I have to eat crow, I'll do it.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:19 pm to wackatimesthree
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Naw, you'e just going to distract him by typing every 45 seconds.
It's not too loud... I'm on an ipad, not a clickity-clack keyboard.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:25 pm to FATBOY TIGER
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Link
Sure. How many would you like? We can start with four. Let me know if you'd like more. They are all over the internet.
Testimony
#2
#3
#4
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This is a lie.
Unless you're the liar. Then...
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Huge "D"ifference wouldn't you agree?
Not in this context, no. It's a petty and pedantic difference in the context of this discussion.
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Would love to what led up to this "attack" of this poor "woman".
I would too, because the video just shows here standing at the edge of a public street when the agents start pushing her. The operation was all the way across the street. So I would also like to know what led up to it.
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Why were they there, what purpose did it serve.
Whether you think either one of those people "needed" to be there is irrelevant to whether this was a bad shooting.
Again, the left already tried this with Kyle Rittenhouse, arguing that he had no legitimate business being where he was armed with an assault rifle and therefore, everything that happened was automatically his fault.
It was bullshite then and it's bullshite now.
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:26 pm to SallysHuman
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It's not too loud... I'm on an ipad, not a clickity-clack keyboard.
Well, the videos are completely silent. Or even if they aren't, you can make them silent.
Again, I have no problem with you as a poster and don't wish to be harsh, but pm was 100% right. The longer you do this, the dumber you look.
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:28 pm to SallysHuman
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So, you and powerman are telling me that when I watch this video, I will witness agents attacking a woman for no reason at all.
You've already seen the one SFP posted.
And you've also already tipped your hand. No matter what the video shows, you're going to claim that the part that proves it was the woman's fault happened off camera.
Right?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:30 pm to David_DJS
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Why do you think that matters if she's interfering with law enforcement?
We don't know if she was doing that. She may have just been heckling them. I don't believe we have access to any videos that go far enough back in time to show that.
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You can't just pull over and stick your nose in a traffic stop, right? Why would this be different (assuming she was sticking her nose in an ICE operation)?
That's the thing. No one knows if this is what actually occurred. We don't know if they were in the process of detaining someone. It appears based on the limited information we have that the officer could have used more discipline.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:30 pm to SallysHuman
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You may as well repeat the talking points that he bit off the finger of one of the agents and brandished his gun
Your inability/refusal to rebut him reaching into his waist band while supposedly not being given sufficient space, time, or the ability to comply is noted.
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Only that your attempt at an argument is batshit
lol, nice white flag. I accept your surrender l
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:32 pm to David_DJS
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Given nobody knows all the facts of the incident, isn't the precisely what the other side of the argument is doing as well?
Maybe. I don't presume to represent the other side of the argument, though.
I'm talking about a specific conversation here between two apparent dog loving TD posters.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:32 pm to wackatimesthree
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Well, the videos are completely silent. Or even if they aren't, you can make them silent.
I went and watched a CBS montage on youtube.
It seems like chaos. It also looked in a slowed down frame that Pretti's gun dishcharged as the officer held it and was swinging it away- I'm not sure though.
Again, why were these "peaceful observers" directing traffic (as CBS stated)?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:33 pm to wackatimesthree
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You've already seen the one SFP posted.
Yeah, and I commented on the limited frame and truncated clip. Also asked why were they in the road.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:34 pm to Powerman
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If you haven't seen any of the footage you should definitely not bother participating in this discussion
So the footage of him standing in the middle of the road, approaching ICE along with 2 other people doesn't exist? This same footage shows the ICE agents tell them to get back several times before pushing them back. This footage also shows the deceased push back on ICE officers prior to him being sprayed with pepper spray.
This footage does not exist?
Or
Have you not seen it?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:36 pm to wackatimesthree
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And you've also already tipped your hand. No matter what the video shows, you're going to claim that the part that proves it was the woman's fault happened off camera.
Correct. And tipping your hand before seeing any evidence immediately discredits someone
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