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Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:56 pm to wackatimesthree
Does anybody really believe the "peaceful observers" have involved themselves to peacefully observe ICE do its job? I really hope there's nobody in the thread dim enough to believe that. They are there to push the envelope. To elicit aggressive/ugly responses from ICE to fill social media with. To score political points.
Everything that has happened in Minneapolis is by design. Including the shootings. This is precisely what Dem leadership has wanted to happen, and they're more than happy to sacrifice a few useful idiots in the process.
I think ICE fricked up on this one. I don't think their agents are trained to handle the hostilities they often confront from the "peaceful observers" and at least one of the overreacted in fear to the sound of a gunshot, right after he heard his fellow agents yell, "gun, gun, gun" - but they shouldn't have to fight the general public while they go about their business.
Everything that has happened in Minneapolis is by design. Including the shootings. This is precisely what Dem leadership has wanted to happen, and they're more than happy to sacrifice a few useful idiots in the process.
I think ICE fricked up on this one. I don't think their agents are trained to handle the hostilities they often confront from the "peaceful observers" and at least one of the overreacted in fear to the sound of a gunshot, right after he heard his fellow agents yell, "gun, gun, gun" - but they shouldn't have to fight the general public while they go about their business.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:56 pm to wackatimesthree
Kyle Rittenhouse? That case says absolutely zero connection to this, other than rioting and violent leftist.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:57 pm to David_DJS
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I think ICE fricked up on this one. I don't think their agents are trained to handle the hostilities they often confront from the "peaceful observers" and at least one of the overreacted in fear to the sound of a gunshot, right after he heard his fellow agents yell, "gun, gun, gun" - but they shouldn't have to fight the general public while they go about their business.
This
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I can. Just watch the video. That's my evidence.
Yep, 100% a lawyer.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:58 pm to BamaGradinTn
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subdued by 6 agents still had an arm free to reach behind his back?
The video shows his arm motioning or swinging towards his back but its not clear he was"reaching" for something.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:58 pm to SallysHuman
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It obviously matters.
It matters a lot when you're starting with the premise that it HAD to be the woman's fault she got pushed.
Yeah, I can see that mattering a lot in that context.
What if she was impeding traffic (standing six inches off the sidewalk)?
What if she was throwing bricks at officers?
What if she was shooting paralysis rays out of the ends of her fingers, shooting spitballs, taking the form of a gorilla and the shape of an ice bridge, what if she was spinning like a dervish and creating a dust storm, what if she was enacting a plot to take over the entire Tri-State Area with Dr. Doofinsmirch?
She HAD to be doing something.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:58 pm to wackatimesthree
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The shooting of Daniel Shaver is a great example. And yeah, the officer was acquitted of murder in that case, but he sure as hell shouldn't have been.
The shooting of Daniel Shaver is not a great example of "comply or die" and bears little resemblance to the Pretti incident.
The Shaver incident is a great example of murder in cold blood, and it's ridiculous the two Mesa police officers involved aren't serving time right now.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:02 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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That case says absolutely zero connection to this
It's exactly the same reasoning in both cases.
Guy went out armed and inserted himself someplace that he didn't belong, therefore whatever happened as a result is his fault and he deserved all the negative repercussions from it.
Only difference is that Rittenhouse was on your team and this guy was on the other team. You're a populist, so it doesn't bother you at all to use the same reasoning in that case to come to opposite conclusions and then just say "That's diffe(R)ent."
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:02 pm to David_DJS
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The shooting of Daniel Shaver is not a great example of "comply or die"
The frick it's not.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:04 pm to wackatimesthree
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The frick it's not.
He complied but still died. It's not a great example of comply or die.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:07 pm to David_DJS
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Does anybody really believe the "peaceful observers" have involved themselves to peacefully observe ICE do its job
I get what you are saying but when DHS has now twice come out hours after a shooting involving thier agents and either intentionally or unintentionally communicated information that doesnt appear to be factual....It makes me think there is.a need for.the public to record and observe.....not obstruct but document
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:07 pm to Tmcgin
The current crop of ICE agents don't inspire confidence...
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:08 pm to The Third Leg
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When he heard "gun, gun, gun" some part of his brain knew he was milliseconds from being shot
quote:I didn't say he did, or tried to. All I said was he knew the rubber was meeting the road, or lead puncturing flesh, when he heard that.
lol - sonic the hedgehog couldn’t have gone from face down with no gun in hand to shooting someone behind them in milliseconds.
At that moment in time he could have just gone limp. He chose to reach backwards. I never said anything about flipping over or actually shooting anyone. All that mattered was to keep fighting or not. It was limp, or other. He chose other. Limp MAY have saved him from what he knew, either consciously or subconsciously, was coming shortly.
quote:Maybe. This is why going limp at that time may not have worked. Too little [submission] too late.
Guy panicked and unloaded into his back. It is hilarious how many people refuse to admit it..
Yep, he unloaded into his back. Did he panic? Undetermined really. Following the 'gun, gun, gun' declaration did the officer who took his weapon have it discharge in his hand? We don't quite know for sure yet. If so, that is a natural reaction and may not be panic. When other officers say gun they are taught to draw and at least put muzzle on target. That's training working the way it was designed. Pulling the trigger? That's where he may have been panicking... or not.
My personal belief is yes, he was panicking well before drawing his weapon. Once he drew, it was done and over with regardless of the UD. But that's just opinion.
And don't forget, the first officer to draw and fire was standing at his feet with only a clear view of feet to mid-torso including where the gun once was. That's a double edged sword for him. Yes, the gun was gone from its initial position and he did reach backwards.... then he hears a shot. He did not know the current location of the gun. IMHO, he lost track of that gun because he was in panic mode; but his panic will not be called 'unreasonable' because he indeed did follow his training and did not draw until 'gun, gun, gun'.
quote:this is such a BS narrative that people, like you, use to imply intent. You shoot until neutralized. If a deadly threat calls for lethal force you apply force until it is lethal. Period. Unfortunately that includes twitching, crawling, and pugilistic pose.
It is extremely rare for a cop to shoot someone that many times, much less someone laying face down with the cop over top of them
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:08 pm to Powerman
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He was trying to protect a woman they attacked
shite like this is why no one takes you seriously.
Plenty of good arguments to be made being critical about what happened to Pretti.
"He was justified because he was being Captain Save-a-Ho" is not one of them.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:10 pm to VOR
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The current crop of ICE agents don't inspire confidence...
If they use force, its "excessive".
If they hold back because cry baby bitches, then they were too soft and allowed him room to try something that ended up getting them shot.
Whites leaving? White flight. Whites moving in? Gentrification.
You progressives are rapidly approaching a point where a lot of this country will not listen to your complaints period. I'd start trying to identify foundational values you adhere too and stop chasing whatever values you can activate at that moment in time to get what you currently want.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:11 pm to VOR
quote:There are 20,000+
The current crop of ICE agents don't inspire confidence...
I’d imagine your feel for how many are terrible is off. I’d also imagine there wouldn’t be much at all to get into them for if they had proper backing from locals.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:12 pm to SallysHuman
quote:The same thing he and many other useful idiots are doing...interfering with an ICE operation.
Looks like they were in the road.
What was she doing in the road?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:13 pm to I20goon
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Did he panic? Undetermined really.
lol. How many police shootings can you find where the suspect has his back turned and the cops fire at least 9 shots at point blank range into his back? Poorly trained and panic stricken. You have to be willfully ignorant to believe otherwise.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:14 pm to The Third Leg
quote:what about 8 shots? How about 2? Did he kill his mother if he fired 15? Was he the only one who fired? What if he fired one and the other 4 fired 2 each? Is that still panic?
lol. How many police shootings can you find where the suspect has his back turned and the cops fire at least 9 shots at point blank range into his back? Poorly trained and panic stricken. You have to be willfully ignorant to believe otherwise.
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 3:16 pm
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