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Posted on 2/4/26 at 11:59 am to wackatimesthree
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Engineering is like law or medicine. All you get in your undergrad degree are the foundational knowledge that enables you to understand the concepts you are going to be exposed to
Main thing I want to see from a young engineer fresh out of school is the ability to think through the problem. Do not let asking for help be your first thought. Not that I am against helping you. It shows lack of critical thinking skills. College should have taught them that. Everything else, we will teach.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 12:01 pm to LSUA 75
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The children that stayed exactly within the lines got the highest praise
Correct. Our education system rewards rule-following so everyone can be a good little worker bee and listen to authority.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 12:19 pm to Harry Boutte
“Sometimes it’s best to stay within the lines”
You’re right,for a lot of areas such as engineering principles ,basic biology,chemistry,etc.
But my wife frustrates me sometimes,bless her heart.She has nearly photographic memory,is an excellent N.P.,was always an honor role student
but has never broken a rule or a law in her life.
She’s the type that if either of us were bleeding to death at 3 am and were rushing to the hospital and came to a red light she would insist we had to stop and wait for if it to turn green.Even if there was not a car in sight.
I tell her the only laws written in stone are the 10 commandments,follow them you’re good.The rest are just guidelines.
You’re right,for a lot of areas such as engineering principles ,basic biology,chemistry,etc.
But my wife frustrates me sometimes,bless her heart.She has nearly photographic memory,is an excellent N.P.,was always an honor role student
but has never broken a rule or a law in her life.
She’s the type that if either of us were bleeding to death at 3 am and were rushing to the hospital and came to a red light she would insist we had to stop and wait for if it to turn green.Even if there was not a car in sight.
I tell her the only laws written in stone are the 10 commandments,follow them you’re good.The rest are just guidelines.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 12:21 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Should not exist. Or at the very least, should not be allowed to practice independently. You don't know what you don't know...until you realize you don't know it.
Ok, so you go to a NP and they run into something that's beyond their scope so they send you to someone who knows. How is that any different than a general practitioner referring you to a specialist? We already have levels of expertise, so why is this different?
Posted on 2/4/26 at 12:32 pm to Flats
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How is that any different than a general practitioner referring you to a specialist? We already have levels of expertise, so why is this different?
Because they are too often an inappropriate utilization of resources. I think the data is pretty conclusive at this point. Systems that use NPs as first line patient care are more expensive for payors. That might not worded completely correctly, but it’s in the ballpark.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 12:35 pm to HouseMom
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Most kids would benefit from living at home and knocking out a few semesters at a community college these days first.
The instruction level at many community colleges is at or below high school level instruction. I get the economic side of it and fulfilling prereqs. Not sure much is happening in the way of broadening horizons.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 12:42 pm to LSUA 75
quote:I suppose that's been a problem forever.
I had a child psychology professor that complained about our educational system quite a bit.
She said it was based on rote memory and conformity , stifeled creativity and critical thinking skills.
"I used to get mad at my school.
The teachers who taught me weren't cool.
Holding me down, turning me 'round,
Filling me up with their rules"
There is a happy medium though. Rote should be structured to found critical thinking. That simply is not reliably happening now, even in College. It's one of the points Beilock makes in the OP.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 2:24 pm to Flats
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Ok, so you go to a NP and they run into something that's beyond their scope so they send you to someone who knows.
You failed to understand my point. With less training, one is less likely to truly understand what they know, what they don’t know, and what needs to be referred out. Ends up with less quality care and overuse of testing and other unindicated BS bc…they just don’t know. A PCP referring out to a specialist is a completely different scenario.
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We already have levels of expertise, so why is this different?
And you’re OK adding someone to the fray who has objectively a significant lower level of expertise by every metric ? I mean, what could go wrong?!
Posted on 2/4/26 at 2:26 pm to the808bass
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Because they are too often an inappropriate utilization of resources.
Bingo. This is 100% true.
When you are less knowledgeable and confident on something clinically, you default to ordering tests—most of which are unnecessary. The amount of unindicated MRIs we as a society pay for is shocking.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 2:42 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:Some are really good. Some are barely serviceable. Ironically, all too often, it's the lower end that seeks less oversight in practice. That is the real concern.
You failed to understand my point. With less training, one is less likely to truly understand what they know, what they don’t know, and what needs to be referred out. Ends up with less quality care and overuse of testing and other unindicated BS bc…they just don’t know.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 3:31 pm to NC_Tigah
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Some are really good. Some are barely serviceable. Ironically, all too often, it's the lower end that seeks less oversight in practice. That is the real concern.
I think they all should have oversight. It's the only way to ensure the dangerous ones who truly need it, get it.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 10:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That's still what? A year of classes?
Its been a long time but it was probably around 24 credits.
For me that was about a year worth of credits part time.
Still I beleive most of the classes I took were of great use in my career, philosophy and logic are as fundamental as digital logic to software.
Im not against electives, but colleges that force electives unrelated to a major should stop doing such.
Still I agree with your summation, Colleges should not refuse to graduate people who only took core classes.
I should bring it up, a number of universities are freaking out about AI and are looking at restructuring their offerings.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 11:39 pm to the808bass
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The instruction level at many community colleges is at or below high school level instruction.
The biggest differences between four year schools and community colleges are that cc only teaches—they don't conduct research—and two, generally lower caliber students attend cc.
The peer reviewed research I've seen actually shows that the instruction in community college is not inferior at all to four year colleges when you compare it applied to similar student cohorts.
It also shows a wide range of instruction quality across all schools, four year and community college alike, and the variability isn't so much tied to the school as it is the department within the school.
For example, the same school may offer excellent instruction in biology, but poor instruction in history.
I live in a college town in which there is a community college and a four year school. It's pretty much common knowledge in the area that the nursing school at the community college is superior to the nursing school at the four year college.
That's probably not true across the board, but it seems to be for that program.
Because it apparently largely depends on the leadership in each department at each school.
This post was edited on 2/4/26 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 2/5/26 at 1:14 am to NC_Tigah
I did not attempt to get a degree.
Luckily, I found a great career at 22. Bought a house at 24, paid it off at 27. I earn six figures and the only thing stopping me from earning more is the whole 24 hour a day time constraints.
Luckily, I found a great career at 22. Bought a house at 24, paid it off at 27. I earn six figures and the only thing stopping me from earning more is the whole 24 hour a day time constraints.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 5:03 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 2/5/26 at 6:46 am to NC_Tigah
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colleges should be required to publish it.
Fully agreed, students and parents should know that a 35 year old sociology major would do better working for Walmart from 18 to 35.
I do also hope they publish 20 and 30 year earnings as well eventually.
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Before I commit to pursuing a Biology BS, the college should be required to tell me that XX% of enrollees go on to pursue postgrad degrees, but of those who don't the median income is $$$$ at 1yr, 5yrs, 10yrs following graduation.
1000% agreed.
Though colleges know it would evacuate many majors like anthropology.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 7:08 am to Narax
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Fully agreed, students and parents should know that a 35 year old sociology major would do better working for Walmart from 18 to 35.
Walmart employees make more than social workers in your area?
Posted on 2/5/26 at 1:11 pm to 4cubbies
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Walmart employees make more than social workers in your area?
Yes.
And rightfully so.
Anyone who joins Walmart at 18 choosing that over college can easily rise up the ranks by 35 to team lead and into management.
And they are paid very well.
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