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re: Is this stockmarket pullback organic
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:15 pm to nola tiger lsu
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:15 pm to nola tiger lsu
quote:Your tears are delicious. Keep 'em coming. Nothing tastes like fresh liberal tears.
nola tiger lsu
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Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:16 pm to Bard
The rates need to be lowered, need to get housing market back in business and business loans more attainable
Years on years of keeping rates high while failing to contain inflation is a massive frick you to lower/middle class while also squeezing businesses
Years on years of keeping rates high while failing to contain inflation is a massive frick you to lower/middle class while also squeezing businesses
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:16 pm to LChama
It’s organic. Biden pushed the recession down the road by flooding the economy with reckless spending initiatives and hiring a shite ton of federal government employees to boost job numbers. What we are seeing now is the pulling back of the curtain coupled with tariff fears. This economy was largely built on smoke & mirrors and was always going to need a correction before it could truly grow again.
Now if the tax cuts can be approved and Trump can bring manufacturing back we will see an economic explosion like we have not seen in many, many years.
Now if the tax cuts can be approved and Trump can bring manufacturing back we will see an economic explosion like we have not seen in many, many years.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:18 pm to LChama
Markets like to know what will happen next, good or bad. That’s why sometimes it goes up when seemingly ‘bad’ news comes out, like jobs grew at a slower pace. Predictability still wins the day.
But when investors don’t know the when, if, or the how long as it pertains to tariffs, most smart investors will pull out any vulnerable assets or positions until they get the path forward.
Right now i am looking for a timeline in when tariffs will be in place, not a protracted what if.
But when investors don’t know the when, if, or the how long as it pertains to tariffs, most smart investors will pull out any vulnerable assets or positions until they get the path forward.
Right now i am looking for a timeline in when tariffs will be in place, not a protracted what if.
This post was edited on 3/10/25 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:19 pm to LChama
The sugar-high from the Biden administration is exhausting itself.
It will reconsolidate and begin a new upward march.
It will reconsolidate and begin a new upward march.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:21 pm to Bring Da Wood
Manufacturing won’t be back for a long time. Its not like tech industry where you hire someone and they start tomorrow
I do wish Trump had rolled out tariffs a bit differently because of that. 5% now, 10% next year, 15% next etc
Slowly build it up, while announcing it will increase, so companies have time to start moving the industrial base back here instead of sudden pivot
I do wish Trump had rolled out tariffs a bit differently because of that. 5% now, 10% next year, 15% next etc
Slowly build it up, while announcing it will increase, so companies have time to start moving the industrial base back here instead of sudden pivot
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:31 pm to TrueTiger
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The sugar-high from the Biden administration is exhausting itself.
It will reconsolidate and begin a new upward march.
History has always shown this to be correct.
Hold and buy more if you can on the way down.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:39 pm to LChama
To understand what is happening please read this quotes by Secretary Bessent...I asked ChatGPT to summarize his quotes pertaining to current stock market behavior:
This is a change from the previous administration.
Interpretation: follow the 10 year note. Bessent is trying to attract private money into the bond market to refinance approximately $8.25 trillion in U.S. debt without having the Federal Reserve print more money in order to achieve this refinancing goal. He is trying to make the bond market more attractive but at the same time keeping interest rates slightly declining. Refinancing is very difficult this year because the Biden Administration fricked the Trump admin over by purchasing more than normal short term T-Bills which requires a lot of refinancing this year.
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent has recently addressed the stock and bond markets, emphasizing a shift in focus from market fluctuations to broader economic fundamentals. In a recent interview, when questioned about potential government intervention to support the stock market amid recent declines, Bessent responded succinctly, "There's no put," indicating that the administration does not intend to prop up the markets artificially.
This is a change from the previous administration.
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Bessent has also highlighted the administration's priority on promoting economic growth through sound policies rather than focusing solely on stock prices. He mentioned that recent tariffs might lead to a "one-time price adjustment" but expressed confidence that these measures would not result in sustained inflation.
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Regarding the bond market, Bessent acknowledged that the economy might experience a "detox period" as it adjusts to reduced government spending, suggesting that there could be short-term challenges during this transition.
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In summary, Treasury Secretary Bessent has indicated a departure from the previous administration's emphasis on stock market performance, advocating for a focus on long-term economic health and structural adjustments.
Interpretation: follow the 10 year note. Bessent is trying to attract private money into the bond market to refinance approximately $8.25 trillion in U.S. debt without having the Federal Reserve print more money in order to achieve this refinancing goal. He is trying to make the bond market more attractive but at the same time keeping interest rates slightly declining. Refinancing is very difficult this year because the Biden Administration fricked the Trump admin over by purchasing more than normal short term T-Bills which requires a lot of refinancing this year.
This post was edited on 3/10/25 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:45 pm to umrebel2009
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The markets were being propped up by USAID funds in some way
And all the other bullshite federal money. DOGE is kicking the bottom cards of the paper tower. Might be painful for a while but needed to be done
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:49 pm to LChama
Coordinated? Trump is making threats, proclamations and reversals on a daily basis.
If anything is coordinated, it’s the insider trading being done by Trump and his friends based on the constant up and down market manipulation.
If anything is coordinated, it’s the insider trading being done by Trump and his friends based on the constant up and down market manipulation.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:51 pm to umrebel2009
We are going from printing money, which favors bigger government and wall street(look where the growth has been) to sound money which favors main street.
Anyone who thinks we can print money forever and there will be no pain in stopping the money printer should be ignored.
Anyone who thinks we can print money forever and there will be no pain in stopping the money printer should be ignored.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:54 pm to GeauxBurrow312
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The rates need to be lowered, need to get housing market back in business and business loans more attainable
Years on years of keeping rates high while failing to contain inflation is a massive frick you to lower/middle class while also squeezing businesses
Blame Congress. When you continue to spend over $1.5T in deficit each year, the Fed is going to have to keep rates higher for longer. As long as Congress keeps deficit spending so high, we're going to be looking at average inflation being closed to 3% than 2%.
On the housing front, having rates so low for so long it's what's fricked home prices, returning back to that too soon is only going to continue to frick them. Prices are going to have to come down a good bit (depending on location) before you can cut rates again, which means holding rates for a while longer.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:57 pm to Auburn80
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On again off again tariffs are not helping.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 2:09 pm to GeauxBurrow312
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It’s organic. The economy has been flimsy for a while, and tariffs are going to reduce consumption
All we have done so far is go back to Sept. 24' levels. Just 6 months ago.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 2:10 pm to LChama
I would bet big this an attack with political money to hurt trump 
Posted on 3/10/25 at 2:11 pm to LChama
The threats to cut government spending and enact tariffs were an intentional ploy to crash the economy to expedite deflationary period and lower interest rates.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 2:14 pm to LChama
The stock market is skittish by its nature. The tariffs designed to enact fair trade are scaring it.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 2:19 pm to Auburn1968
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The stock market is skittish by its nature. The tariffs designed to enact fair trade are scaring it.
This. It is not an organic pullback. It is directly tied to the tariffs and unknown variable of them. Read any analysis on it. Consumer spending is also feared to directly be impacted by this which will also bring stocks down.
Look at crypto as a direct result. The day trump got elected it hit its highest value in history. After the trade wars it is absolutely crashing.
Stocks will balance but it will be a bloodbath until the trade shite gets settled.
He's fricking with a lot of people's money and retirement funds in the short term. better pray it pays off in the long term.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 2:21 pm to GumboPot
Looks like a good opportunity to move some of the SS "Trust Fund" to the stock market.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 2:33 pm to LChama
Free money has made it irrational for 20 years
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