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re: LA officials OK new charter 4 dyslexic students in Jefferson Parish despite some concerns
Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:40 pm to teke184
Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:40 pm to teke184
quote:. The comment about selective enrollment was made in the context of Arizona schools
You’re talking about charters cherry picking the best students in a thread about a charter which intentionally enrolls kids with severe learning disabilities.
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Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:41 pm to 4cubbies
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Are you saying charter school fraud is acceptable because fraud exists in some traditional school districts, too?
Arguing against charter schools because fraud has happened means that you’re arguing against public schools. You just don’t know it.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:43 pm to jchamil
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much experience do you have with charter schools? I'm guessing not much
I have extensive experience with charter schools, which is why I’m critical of them.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:44 pm to 4cubbies
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Dumber in what aspect? I wouldn't ask an elementary teacher OR a surgeon to fix my air conditioner so does that mean they're both dumb? Teachers know more about teaching than a surgeon would.
Teachers are dumber than surgeons. You can try to dance around this and it will still remain true.
I would also recommend the book “Range” by Epstein which pretty thoroughly demolishes the idea that specialization equals success.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:45 pm to 4cubbies
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I have extensive experience with Louisiana charter schools
Fify
Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:45 pm to the808bass
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too? Arguing against charter schools because fraud has happened means that you’re arguing against public schools. You just don’t know it.
Do you think it’s equally prevalent in charter and traditional schools? It would be interesting to see a comparison.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:47 pm to 4cubbies
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I have extensive experience with charter schools
In what capacity?
Posted on 8/22/25 at 5:01 pm to jchamil
Teacher, parent, academic
Posted on 8/22/25 at 5:01 pm to 4cubbies
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There are extensive documented cases of charter school fraud across the country.
There are extensive documented cases of public school fraud across the country. There are also extensive documented cases of charter school success, but you’re not interested in that.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 5:03 pm to 4cubbies
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Overall, reviews show that charter schools have inconsistent effects on student achievement scores
Well, aren't you a dishonest frick. Why did you cut the quote off right there?
Overall, these reviews show that charter schools have inconsistent effects on student achievement scores, finding mostly positive but also some negative and null outcomes.
on average across the rigorous studies of charter school effects on achievement, the effects on mathematics achievement were positive in elementary and middle schools, but not in high schools. In reading, they found that students in charter schools outperform traditional public school students in middle school, but not in elementary or high school.
So, the analysis you posted supports my argument, not yours.
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It would make sense that charter schools would accept higher performing students, leaving the lower performing students at traditional schools. Charter schools have the ability to select their students, unlike traditional schools.
This doesn't make sense at all. You really don't know much about this.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 5:06 pm to David_DJS
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So, the analysis you posted supports my argument, not yours.
Doing better in some areas and worst in others is the definition of inconsistent results.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 5:07 pm to 4cubbies
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Do you think it’s equally prevalent in charter and traditional schools?
On a dollar basis, it’s far more prevalent in public schools. There’s more to steal.
I don’t think it would even be particularly close.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 5:07 pm to 4cubbies
What’s the definition of operant conditioning?
Posted on 8/22/25 at 5:07 pm to 4cubbies
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Charter schools have the ability to select their students, unlike traditional schools.
You're talking out of your arse again, taking one anecdote and pretending its universal. Florida law, for example (unless it's changed) specifically prohibits charter schools from academic gate keeping. They're welcome to target LOW performing kids and give them preference but not high performing. Our empty seats are determined by lottery.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 5:08 pm to 4cubbies
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Teacher, parent, academic
You meant to say “bystander, bystander, and bystander.” You have no direct experience with even Louisiana charter schools and no experience with non-Louisiana charter schools.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 5:09 pm to Flats
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There are extensive documented cases of public school fraud across the country. There are also extensive documented cases of charter school success, but you’re not interested in that.
What’s your argument? Replace fraud with fraud and failing schools with failing schools?
Posted on 8/22/25 at 5:10 pm to the808bass
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You have no direct experience with even Louisiana charter schools and no experience with non-Louisiana charter schools.
Noted.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 5:11 pm to 4cubbies
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Replace fraud with fraud and failing schools with failing schools?
No. We should definitely just keep failing schools with fraud for the poors who can’t put their kids in private schools. It will make my kids’ task of differentiating themselves from their peers that much easier.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 5:11 pm to 4cubbies
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What’s your argument?
Same as it's always been: Charter schools provide much needed competition to the traditional public school structure. What I especially like about them is that the parents decide success. If a charter school sucks, it closes. If a public school sucks.......
Posted on 8/22/25 at 5:12 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Okay.
I have extensive experience with charter schools, which is why I’m critical of them.
So we did not have "Charters." They sound like a brilliant idea to me, solely due to their competitive nature. Standard public schools are competitive with no one which is a huge problem.
We could have easily sent our kids anywhere, i.e., to Phillips Andover if we'd have wanted. So I'm addressing the ultimate "school choice." Sans Charters, we sent our kids parochial (Catholic). They went Parochial vs Private for a number of reasons.
As things progressed, parochial was increasingly ill-suited for our oldest's special needs, so in JrHigh he transferred to a targeted private school for three years before mainstreaming, by his choice, into a Public HS. The public HS was great for him, albeit for limited resources. OTOH our other one lit it up in the parochial system, stem to stern.
I say that, to point out no system can be all-things to all kids. The public 1° system we had would not have served either of our kids well. But by HS, for one, it was serviceable.
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