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re: Let’s assume the jury got it right.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 6:07 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 5/31/24 at 6:07 pm to NC_Tigah
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Law delineates an offense, then attempts to identify a target regardless of political persuasion.
• Lawfare delineates a target, typically based on political persuasion, then attempts to identify an offence or offenses.
So the NY cases could be lawfare, but the DC, Florida, and GA cases are Law?
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Posted on 5/31/24 at 6:15 pm to NC_Tigah
Trump pardons him and then who gives a rats arse about his veracity.Trump purchases his silence and his freedom.
Dude does Trump's dirty work, then Trump ghosts him, shafts him on the money he owes Cohen.
Once again, Trump trips over his own dick.
Dude does Trump's dirty work, then Trump ghosts him, shafts him on the money he owes Cohen.
Once again, Trump trips over his own dick.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 6:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but the DC, Florida, and GA cases are Law?
Read it again. If you really, actually cannot figure it out, I'll be disappointed in you, but I'll explain.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 6:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:lol ok. That does make it easy for you to maintain it doesn't exist. Lou Holtz couldn't define pornography but he knew it when he saw it
My stance on lawfare is that it's not well-defined
Posted on 5/31/24 at 6:19 pm to NC_Tigah
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Read it again. If you really, actually cannot figure it out, I'll be disappointed in you, but I'll explain.
Trump's stupidity led to the GA, DC, and FL cases. The government didn't need to go looking for crimes
He gave them those on a silver platter.
Now NY, it looks like they tried to find ways to get him.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 6:24 pm to KiwiHead
I don’t know how one can take your stances on Trump seriously because there’s no instances of you doing anything but giving Trump the lowest possible grade for every single “test”. Are we to wait on your conclusions with baited breath to see which way you go on Trump in a given instance? Of course not. You’ve cheapened your own opinions to the extent that they’re essentially worthless in the arena of earnest political debate and discourse. It’s a safe bet that your next remark on Trump will be how he hilariously failed at (insert anything here). I don’t mean for that to be a personal insult or attack, but it’s the risk you run in the business of hating Trump for everything and for always.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 6:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
Well certainly the Civil case and the Carroll cases were Lawfare. Those were frick jobs from the go. This case brought by Bragg is as well. But Smith has a case in FL and really, it's a solid case. I think GA goes away after the election no matter what.The DC case is a dog....but I thought this NY case was a dog with fleas.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 6:29 pm to OysterPoBoy
It’s election interference. There will be more too.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 6:38 pm to pankReb
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well considering neither of these were what he was being charged with.....
falsification of business records for paying Cohen "legal fees" for paying off Stormy. This is not a felony in NY for any other situation other than during an election.
This is like the NY civil suit against him for falsification of loan applications via inflated asset values where nobody lost any money... technical violationt that netted him $350 mil civil fine with no aggrieved party.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 6:44 pm to KiwiHead
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But Smith has a case in FL and really, it's a solid case.
Not really. Recently the judge released a memo in evidence that the Archives got pissed off at Trumps stuff being there and they told him to send his reps to come get it and then later started the case of stolen confidential info. That was a month or two ago.
The other thing that is not going to hang well on this case is sending a SWAT team with authorization of deadly force for a documents siezure that had been going on with some levels of cooperation. Optics on this are real bad. FBI with authorization of deadly force on SS agents or Trump's servants or family? Also Biden signed off on it
DOJ is getting to the point they want this case to go away.
This post was edited on 5/31/24 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 5/31/24 at 6:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Goodness, that's dense. I hope you're joking?
Trump's stupidity led to the GA, DC, and FL cases
e.g., Assuming he wasn't set up in the "FL case" (as now appears to be the case), juxtapose "Trump's stupidity" with that of Hillary and Potatobrain in their respective situations. Now then, juxtapose the legal pursuit in each case.
Again, I hope you're joking?
Posted on 5/31/24 at 6:45 pm to OysterPoBoy
Hiring dumbass incompetent scumbag Michael Cohen was his mistake.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 6:46 pm to Bard
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Paid her from his own pocket.
That wouldn’t have stopped Bragg from tying the payment to election fraud. He would have indicated no matter what the facts were.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 6:47 pm to KiwiHead
quote:Jesus F Christ, man.
But Smith has a case in FL and really, it's a solid case.
Do you remember the words "No Reasonable Prosecutor ... ???????"
Posted on 5/31/24 at 6:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If they don't have Cohen, I doubt it.
Would NY have been able to prosecute Cohen becomes the question.
Trump could not pardon Cohen. He was prosecuted for a state crime with regard to taxi medallion peddling. Trump had no jurisdiction over Cohen's problems... But Alvin Bragg and Leticia james do.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 7:03 pm to RougeDawg
Crazy coincidence charges are brought up years later just before an election
Haha, MAGAs have selective memory loss and conveniently forget that, for numerous occasions of scandal and nefarious dealings coming to light during his admin, he used the legal opinion that “a sitting president cannot be indicted or charged w/ a crime” as a shield to hide behind…
He also openly inquired if he were able to pardon himself for future crimes or convictions before leaving office-
Specifically, in the crimes that Cohen went to jail for, he was spared from being a defendant at the time by his presidential immunity - he’s not the Prez anymore.
Haha, MAGAs have selective memory loss and conveniently forget that, for numerous occasions of scandal and nefarious dealings coming to light during his admin, he used the legal opinion that “a sitting president cannot be indicted or charged w/ a crime” as a shield to hide behind…
He also openly inquired if he were able to pardon himself for future crimes or convictions before leaving office-
Specifically, in the crimes that Cohen went to jail for, he was spared from being a defendant at the time by his presidential immunity - he’s not the Prez anymore.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 7:17 pm to SidewalkDawg
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2. The novel legal theory is that Trump intentially did this to hide the payment because he wanted to run for President. Thus raising this to a campaign finance violation and making it a felony.
Umm, then all he needed to do is show where he reported the $130,000 campaign donation- OH WAIT…individual donations are capped at 10K; to take more you have to launder the money thru a PAC- he’s guilty of campaign finance violations.
OK then- so if NDA are legal and he’s reimbursing Cohen for paying one then all he had to do was write “reimbursement for NDA” on the checks…. OH WAIT. He’s making an illegal donation to his own campaign- Campaign Finance Laws violation
But he didn’t call it “reimbursement” - he intentionally mislabeled it as “legal fees”… that’s “falsifying records”.
There is literally no way to try to rationalize that he broke no laws without admitting he broke laws.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 7:18 pm to OysterPoBoy
A frog not bumping his arse is a better fantasy
Posted on 5/31/24 at 7:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Had he paid her directly, none of this was possible.
People with far fewer resources than Trump would have handled a similar situation with an attorney as the intermediary.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 8:00 pm to OysterPoBoy
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What could Trump have done differently to not be a felon?
Learn the lessons from his daddy and his mentor
Pay in cash
Pay in a lump sum
Pay a premium, don't be cheap on something like this
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