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re: lets discuss the shot
Posted on 9/11/25 at 7:27 am to coolpapaboze
Posted on 9/11/25 at 7:27 am to coolpapaboze
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I keep seeing people say this and
Butler was 130 yards with a red dot optic.
This could have been the same rifle with a 30 power scope that would make that same 130 yards look like 12 feet
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Posted on 9/11/25 at 7:32 am to RougeDawg
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quote:No gun left behind so it had to be packed out This is the hard part and I'm amazed the rifle wasn't spotted by a person or camera in a college campus!
A small rifle can be hidden in a small backpack. About 150 people had one on yesterday.
This post was edited on 9/11/25 at 7:34 am
Posted on 9/11/25 at 7:32 am to Da Sheik
Posted on 9/11/25 at 7:37 am to Rex Feral
If true hard to believe no one spotted the guy with a long rifle between shoot and dump site. I doubt any older model 30 06 would be breakdown
Posted on 9/11/25 at 7:38 am to Da Sheik
There were bleachers of some type around the tent. Therefore tent was at least high enough not to block their view. Definitely LOS for many of the buildings around.
Also… the last time many so-called experts said professional hit..it was the insurance company CEO in NY. Turns out that was anything but a pro hit.
Lots of people specuguessing.
Also… the last time many so-called experts said professional hit..it was the insurance company CEO in NY. Turns out that was anything but a pro hit.
Lots of people specuguessing.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 7:41 am to Lawyered
Exactly.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 7:45 am to Da Sheik
And To think Gavrilo Princip just got lucky
Posted on 9/11/25 at 7:45 am to Da Sheik
There are cameras everywhere these days, including parking lots. There has to be one that picked him up.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 7:46 am to OccamsStubble
An old Mauser wouldn’t be but you could disguise it, or he simply walked in from the back, got up there and made the shot and walked away without having to walk through any people so to speak.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 7:58 am to coolpapaboze
quote:I would agree. However we look thru a sane person lens. Who knows what a deranged person is thinking.
Every hunter is familiar with 'buck fever' but I have to think an individual shooting another person in a public place experiences something a thousand times more intense than that. So unless you're an experienced sniper, I doubt any of these are easy shots
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:01 am to Da Sheik
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"expert"
Lots of them out there. What are this ones qualifications?
I haven’t examined the scene, but I can take a novice or even non-shooter and have them hitting a shot at that range 10 out of 10 times with a half day at the range.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:01 am to Da Sheik
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someone who can make that successful shot from an elevated building a few hundred yards away, goes in undetected, and leaves undetected without a trace is a professional.
This is the hard part. The shot itself was pretty easy.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:02 am to The Torch
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goes in undetected, and leaves undetected without a trace This might point more to a professional hit
This is what I said yesterday… the shot doesn’t seem to automatically indicate “professional” to me… but if they had no leads on the shooter and he’s still at large in 48 hours, with the setting and all the cameras and walking around a highly populated college campus… Then I would say it was most likely professional.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:03 am to Bayou
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No gun left behind so it had to be packed out
There may have been. From Steven Crowder this morning. There's a pic of it on his Facebook page. Take it for what it's worth.
Steven Crowder
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EXCLUSIVE: This morning my team received an e-mail from officer at ATF.
The email included a screen shot from what appears to be an internal message describing a weapon and cartridges located by ATF and other law enforcement near the scene of the Charlie Kirk shooting at Utah Valley State University.
“On September 10, 2025, at approximately 12:24PM, Conservative political influencer Charlie Kirk was shot and killed at the Utah Valley University in Orem, UT. Mr. Kirk was speaking at the University as part of the American Comeback Tour. Multiple SLC I and III agents responded immediately. The suspect fired one shot from an elevated position on a rooftop in an adjacent building on the campus and surveillance video shows the suspect, jumping off and fleeing the area on foot. ATF and other law-enforcement located an older model imported Mauser .30-06 caliber bolt action rifle wrapped in a towel in a wooded area near the campus. The location of the firearm appears to match the suspects route of travel. The spent cartridge was still chambered in addition to three unspent rounds at the top fed magazine. All cartridges have engraved wording on them, expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology. An emergency trace has been submitted an ATF SLC is working leads generated by the trace. The firearm and ammunition have been taken by the FBI for DNA analysis and fingerprint impressions. Upon completion of forensics, the firearm will be disassembled for additional importer information. Multiple people of interest having contacted or detained because of eyewitness testimony and review of video footage. The primary suspect is yet to be identified. ATF is assisting the investigation with multiple other federal, state, and local partners and the case is co-led by the FBI and Utah SBI.””
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:03 am to UtahCajun
Likely well planned but by an amateur. It’s not possible to not leave a digital foot print these days. I’d bet FBI knows who he is but isn’t releasing info
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:05 am to RougeDawg
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This is the hard part and I'm amazed the rifle wasn't spotted by a person or camera in a college campus!
Couldve hidden it in a guitar case or similar to avoid attention. Or quickly broken it down and put in a backpack. I dont think it was a hired pro. They couldve done it a lot easier out of sight. This person wanted to make a spectacle , was fairly intelligent enough to plan it out and make a good enough shot, or maybe got lucky and slipped away in all the chaos. My guess would be a leftist psycho that had been brainwashed by media to think conservatives are evil.
This post was edited on 9/11/25 at 8:07 am
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:05 am to AUstar
I wouldn't think a pro would do this in such an open and well attended area. Maybe ive watch too many movies with assassins.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:09 am to Da Sheik
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From a buddy who knows what he’s speaking about...
Do me a favor. I know some of you on here will be tempted to surmise about what happened today as a “professional hit” and all sorts of nonsense.
Because, I know for a fricking fact that NONE of those of you who’ll do this have been to any sFrom a buddy who knows what he’s speaking about. It was a professional shooter .
Do me a favor. I know some of you on here will be tempted to surmise about what happened today as a “professional hit” and all sorts of nonsense.
Before you post it, click that privacy button, select “Friends Except” and then select me.
Because, I know for a fricking fact that NONE of those of you who’ll do this have been to any service level sniper school. And as such, I will personally embarrass you
So, before you do it, consider the aforementioned, and following, from me, a graduate of the 1st Marine Division Scout Sniper School, and various Special Operations Training Group packages SOTIC as well as deploying as a sniper in Somalia and the GWOT
Fact: the person who did this is not a trained professional. They are an ideologue driven crazy by the radical left’s incessant demonization of anyone with differing beliefs and as such, felt obligated to carry out this and saw it as their duty to “protect democracy”.
Fact: It was not a difficult shot. The speed of sound at the scene (4,487ft 89° F) is approximately 1,148 feet per second. Based on the videos, the sonic “crack” of the bullet followed by the report of the rifle by about .23 to .30 seconds. That works out to around 88 to 115 yards. The average drop of the M118LR round at that ranges on a flat range (remember flat range) is +0.2 to -0.5 inches with a full value 10mph wind deflection of 0.7 inches. Now, external factors such as height of bore of the optic can impact this, but im just going with centerline of the bore. So, for all intents and purposes, no hold overs etc. point of aim, point of impact. It does not make this person a “trained professional”.
Fact: Round hit high. This is because the shooter did not account for the fact that they were firing from an elevated position. A bullet will generally impact higher than expected when shooting from an elevated position at a target at a significant angle, this is also affected by range. This effect is compensated for by applying the cosine of the angle. Let’s say the shooter is at 114 yards and is shooting down at a 30° angle. The cosine would be 0.8660254. Which means the range to adjust for would be 98 yards. This is why the round was high. Once again, this is centerline of the bore and not accounting for height over bore Even though it was only slightly high, this was exacerbated by the oblique angle to the victim’s right. The round struck what appears to be the victim’s right clavicle, deflecting through the trachea and exiting through the left side of the neck with the temporary wound channel apparently catastrophically severing the left common or external carotid arteries, and possibly both. This illustrates that the shooter only had flat range experience. It is also possible that because he was NOT a “trained professional” he also added to this by shooting high, a common mistake for novices.
Did the shooter know how to proficiently handle a firearm? Yes. Are they a professional? No.
I hope when they find them, and they will, i pray they are not taken in. I don’t want to give them a platform of a trial. They don’t deserve it and the rhetoric their legal team will spout will inspire more of this.ervice level sniper school. And as such, I will personally embarrass you
So, before you do it, consider the aforementioned, and following, from me, a graduate of the 1st Marine Division Scout Sniper School, and various Special Operations Training Group packages SOTIC as well as deploying as a sniper in Somalia and the GWOT
Fact: the person who did this is not a trained professional. They are an ideologue driven crazy by the radical left’s incessant demonization of anyone with differing beliefs and as such, felt obligated to carry out this and saw it as their duty to “protect democracy”.
Fact: It was not a difficult shot. The speed of sound at the scene (4,487ft 89° F) is approximately 1,148 feet per second. Based on the videos, the sonic “crack” of the bullet followed by the report of the rifle by about .23 to .30 seconds. That works out to around 88 to 115 yards. The average drop of the M118LR round at that ranges on a flat range (remember flat range) is +0.2 to -0.5 inches with a full value 10mph wind deflection of 0.7 inches. Now, external factors such as height of bore of the optic can impact this, but im just going with centerline of the bore. So, for all intents and purposes, no hold overs etc. point of aim, point of impact. It does not make this person a “trained professional”.
Fact: Round hit high. This is because the shooter did not account for the fact that they were firing from an elevated position. A bullet will generally impact higher than expected when shooting from an elevated position at a target at a significant angle, this is also affected by range. This effect is compensated for by applying the cosine of the angle. Let’s say the shooter is at 114 yards and is shooting down at a 30° angle. The cosine would be 0.8660254. Which means the range to adjust for would be 98 yards. This is why the round was high. Once again, this is centerline of the bore and not accounting for height over bore Even though it was only slightly high, this was exacerbated by the oblique angle to the victim’s right. The round struck what appears to be the victim’s right clavicle, deflecting through the trachea and exiting through the left side of the neck with the temporary wound channel apparently catastrophically severing the left common or external carotid arteries, and possibly both. This illustrates that the shooter only had flat range experience. It is also possible that because he was NOT a “trained professional” he also added to this by shooting high, a common mistake for novices.
Did the shooter know how to proficiently handle a firearm? Yes. Are they a professional? No.
I hope when they find them, and they will, i pray they are not taken in. I don’t want to give them a platform of a trial. They don’t deserve it and the rhetoric their legal team will spout will inspire more of this.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:10 am to Da Sheik
Everyone calling this an easy shot is someone who grew up shooting guns
No liberal grew up shooting guns
A lib could never make this shot
No liberal grew up shooting guns
A lib could never make this shot
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:17 am to coolpapaboze
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Every hunter is familiar with 'buck fever' but I have to think an individual shooting another person in a public place experiences something a thousand times more intense than that. So unless you're an experienced sniper, I doubt any of these are easy shots.
/\THIS/\ - it takes a 'special' kind of person to even attempt that - especially to be successful.
It is either a professional hit-man or some deranged 'intellectual.'
It is not just some idiot - they would have been spotted & deterred, or brought down immediately afterward.
This had to be well-planned and that implies an entry/escape plan which probably also implies some degree of cooperation.
/\ just my musings after a full day of conflicting emotion and little sleep /\
after the press conf this am - it is certainly not professional.
ergo = deranged leftist "intellectual"
This post was edited on 9/11/25 at 8:40 am
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