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Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:31 am to 10tiger
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They don’t enjoy their meds so don’t stay on them leading to relapses.
This is a sweeping generalization that isn’t accurate.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:31 am to stout
Honestly, most people don’t realize this if you don’t work in an emergency treatment hospital setting but there is a woefully inadequate supply of mental health institutions especially for the non criminally insane and even those are few. For example, a suicidal patient or someone suffering from schizophrenia or manic disorders are largely left untreated after a 24-48 hold and are released back onto the streets. Medication can be effective but when they are suffering debilitating episodes, taking their medication on time and regularly in order to be effective is not realistic for someone in those conditions. There are floors in certain hospitals with a handful of beds for mental patients but those are usually reserved for the criminally insane awaiting incarceration or having wounds treated. Most homeless are suffering from a mental illness, sadly it is a very real problem
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:32 am to stout
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So your only concern is that, even though there is a due process to commit someone, it isn't sufficient unless it includes prosecution for a crime? Do you live in the belief that mentally ill homeless people do not commit crimes?
The answer to the first question is absolutely no. Not sure where you got that from. The vast vast majority of people who are civilly committed have not committed a crime.
Of course, mentally ill people commit crimes. Not sure where you got that from either. One option would be to throw the ones who commit crimes in jail without treatment. That’s the one most frequently used. Another option would be to civilly commit them, even though many are not a danger to self, others, or gravely disabled. The third option, which I am arguing for, are jails that serve “primarily“ as treatment centers.
This post was edited on 7/25/25 at 9:33 am
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:33 am to 4cubbies
The obvious reply of someone who doesn’t understand anything about it. An adult can refuse treatment and simply walk out when they are in no physical or mental condition to make that decision
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:36 am to stout
So the answer to homelessness to commit more people to being wards of the state?
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:37 am to 4cubbies
As someone who has a mother with a psychotic disorder, you’re out of your realm. There were times she would go off her meds without a doctor’s approval and end up ranting in the closest downtown metro, sleeping on the streets with other dangerous homeless people.
When I tried to have her committed, for her safety, I was told “well, you’ll have to convince her to consent to treatment because you can’t force her to go”.
Yeah, good luck trying to convince someone on a self proclaimed galactic mission to save their soul from Satan that is whispering in their ears to do something basic as consent to treatment.
It’s a win-win for everyone.
When I tried to have her committed, for her safety, I was told “well, you’ll have to convince her to consent to treatment because you can’t force her to go”.
Yeah, good luck trying to convince someone on a self proclaimed galactic mission to save their soul from Satan that is whispering in their ears to do something basic as consent to treatment.
It’s a win-win for everyone.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:39 am to oklahogjr
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So the answer to homelessness to commit more people to being wards of the state?
No, stop accommodating them on city streets and the homeless situation clears up.
The mental illness situation is much different.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:39 am to oklahogjr
Nah just leave them in the streets crapping themselves and committing crimes, amirite? Or build them a 5 million dollar spec home that they will destroy? You are an unserious person who should never vote again. You don’t possess the basic intelligence
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:39 am to stout
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There's a bipolar homeless drug addict chick who camps out in a neighborhood where I and a friend of mine have rentals.
Ok.
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The neighbors who live there all hate her because she is a nuisance and has stolen from them. She has caused property damage, though it's hard to gather enough hard evidence to convict.
So you think she's stolen and damaged things but can't prove it....
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The cops know her by her full name because they deal with her so much, and say there is nothing they can do because the jails are full, and when they issue her a citation to appear in court over trespassing, she never does
So cops in your area have quit arresting people for open warrants?
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:47 am to 4cubbies
They don’t enjoy their meds so don’t stay on them leading to relapses.
This is a sweeping generalization that isn’t accurate.
The homeless / drug addled mentally ill population numbers would say otherwise.
This is a sweeping generalization that isn’t accurate.
The homeless / drug addled mentally ill population numbers would say otherwise.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:49 am to oklahogjr
All you do is make excuses and deflect, you don’t even have the first clue what you are talking about lol. You are unable to grade the basic premise of little to no options for people suffering from mental illnesses
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:50 am to 4cubbies
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But I’m for a limited government and I’m against the police state. Just some of the many ways we differ philosophically.
You know, I once considered myself a Voluntarist. You know. The guys who think Libertarians want too much government.
Then I grew up.
I still hate most things about our current state of government. But when I look around and see what our society has become, I am sickened. Homelessness is rampant. Violent crimes committed by people who are now allowed to "self medicate" for mental illness is out of hand. The belief that you can be whatever "gender" you feel is way over the edge. Yes, involuntary commital was abused prior to the mid-60's when we as a nation moved away from institutions. But for the life of me, when I see what we have become, there is no way anyone can say we are better off now. As much as my younger self would not like this older self to admit it, some times you have to weigh the odds. Less people will be abused by involuntary commital than all of society being abused by public mental illness as we are today.
I am sorry, but that is just the way it is.
This post was edited on 7/25/25 at 9:51 am
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:51 am to oklahogjr
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So you think she's stolen and damaged things but can't prove it....
I don't think. I know
She recently made a bed out of pallets in the driveway of a house I am remodeling. She took the pallets from a gas station. The pallets belonged to the coke bottling facility and were set aside for them to pick up.
I am sure that it is a coincidence that at the same time she built this pallet house in my driveway, some graffiti showed up on the side of the house and the concrete walk in front of the driveway. The cops told me there is no jail space, so all they can do is issue her a citation. She has done stints in jail but always ends up back up to her old tricks. Jail is not help for her, nor is it a deterrent.
It would take an idiot to think she did not paint the graffiti. She painted no trespassing on both trying to lay claim to the driveway as her makeshift pallet house.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:53 am to Sizzle_DAWG
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As someone who has a mother with a psychotic disorder,
Sorry to hear
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Yeah, good luck trying to convince someone on a self-proclaimed galactic mission to save their soul from Satan that is whispering in their ears to do something basic as consent to treatment.
Cubbies wants to act like a libertarian and claim people should have self-autonomy but sadly there is no utopia where these people are self-aware enough to seek the help they need and not be a net negative to society.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:55 am to UtahCajun
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Less people will be abused by involuntary commital than all of society being abused by public mental illness as we are today.
This is as basic as it is and the hard reality.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:55 am to 4cubbies
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Yeah there’s no way this would be abused
Oh the irony of using this argument coming from which side you support
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:56 am to UtahCajun
He is a fool who doesn’t have the first clue what he is talking about and doesn’t have even a basic understanding of mental illness
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:57 am to stout
quote:Yeah, that's a bit disturbing.
Encourages state and local governments to bypass legal barriers to institutionalization by:
Overturning court decisions or consent decrees that prevent forced hospitalization.
Lowering legal thresholds for determining when someone can be committed.
And just a step away from Pam's coveted red flag laws.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 10:00 am to blueboy
I’ll tell you what boy wonder: go find a schizophrenic person and have a deep conversation with them about how they really need to make sure that they take their medications on time each day and see how far that gets you. I bet they will pinky promise to take it!!
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