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re: Natural immunity vs vaccine induced immunity
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:18 am to Pelican fan99
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:18 am to Pelican fan99
quote:Actually, it is.
This isn’t normal
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:20 am to VictoryHill
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broke down yesterday and got vaccinated yesterday. I'm regretting it. I had COVID in March of 2020. Tested positive for antibodies as recently as this year with no COVID-positive tests which were mandated every 2 weeks. Recently, it has become clear to me that this was a battle I was not going to win despite my best argument. I was going to get the shot or pay my mortgage. I got shot 1 of 2 yesterday. Woke up at 0300 drenched in sweat with a splitting headache and I NEVER get headaches. Super achy legs and lower back, raised internal temperature, no appetite, dry mouth. I'm not feeling well at all and I'm someone who didn't miss a day of work when I had the real COVID. Take this information for what it's worth: it's an anecdotal experience. But for me, the vaccine having this impact on me and it being worse than the actual thing is ringing all kinds of alarms at the moment.
Sorry this happened to you.
Sorry that your choice to not get vaccinated lead to you being ostracized in the workplace.
Sorry that ostracized environment made you decide to get the vaccination.
Sorry that vaccination you took because you felt ostracized in the workplace is making you feel worse than when you had covid.
You don’t deserve any of that. No one deserves that. Unfortunately this is the real reality we are facing.
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 7:23 am
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:27 am to iron banks
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One thing that is not deniable, Pfizer, Moderna and J&J have complete indemnity.
I think the word you are looking for is immunity.
And, Congress granted themselves and the drug companies complete immunity. I think that's the one thing keeping them from requiring everyone to take it or even having "vaccine passports," especially since the FDA will not approve this as a "vaccine".
The bigger question will be the employers who are starting to require this experimental drug. I don't believe that Congress can grant them immunity to force their employers to get the jab -- especially while it's still in "Emergency Use" stage. I think you'll be seeing lawsuits around the country in a year or two as even more and more side effects start to present themselves.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:28 am to VictoryHill
i feel like i'm 99% where you were..............................and i'm not vaxxed yet, but getting pushed by some friends (all MAGA believe it or not) and work, and my wife (also MAGA). i'm researching, but everytime i feel like screw it, i'll do it, i see stories like this.
which one did you get?
which one did you get?
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:28 am to Crimson Wraith
History shows us this is the case. Flu has been around a while. It was deadly when it first came out. Yes it changes it RNA every season but for most people they can fight it off. Mankind has formed an immunity to it. It is no longer a novel virus.
We will get to the same point with COVID. Problem is getting to the point where you have protection with minimizing the deaths.
I had Covid nearly a year ago. Have not gotten the vaccine. There have been two recent studies that have shown infected immunity to last and have an equal if not slightly higher efficacy vs vaccine.
Having had Covid, I weigh my risk of re-infection vs possible extra protection both vaccine vs possible side effects of vaccine
For me, I will wait before getting the vaccine. That may change as more data comes out
But I am healthy for my age with no underlying issues. Each person needs to weight their open risks
We will get to the same point with COVID. Problem is getting to the point where you have protection with minimizing the deaths.
I had Covid nearly a year ago. Have not gotten the vaccine. There have been two recent studies that have shown infected immunity to last and have an equal if not slightly higher efficacy vs vaccine.
Having had Covid, I weigh my risk of re-infection vs possible extra protection both vaccine vs possible side effects of vaccine
For me, I will wait before getting the vaccine. That may change as more data comes out
But I am healthy for my age with no underlying issues. Each person needs to weight their open risks
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:31 am to Crimson Wraith
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Why does CDC seem to be “ignoring" natural immunity?
If everyone knew how much funding the CDC receives from Big Pharma then they would understand the push for the vax. CDC is just as corrupt as our government. $$$$$$$$$
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:48 am to VictoryHill
frick that shite I'd take the whole week off if they made you feel pressured into taking it.
sadly this is becoming the norm. my MIL went get her first shot last weekend because he place of work ostracized the un-jabbed in the same type of ways that your place did. its sad.
what happened to having a choice? now everything is segregated by jabbed or un-jabbed. and they want the un-jabbed to stick out in a crowd by having to wear a mask.
sadly this is becoming the norm. my MIL went get her first shot last weekend because he place of work ostracized the un-jabbed in the same type of ways that your place did. its sad.
what happened to having a choice? now everything is segregated by jabbed or un-jabbed. and they want the un-jabbed to stick out in a crowd by having to wear a mask.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 7:50 am to VictoryHill
After second moderna I had a 103 temperature.
I didn’t take Tylenol as I was curious how high it would get. I pounded water before and after so the headache was very minor.
I took the day off work and treated it like an experiment. Once recovery started it seemed almost instantaneous.
You’ll be fine.
I didn’t take Tylenol as I was curious how high it would get. I pounded water before and after so the headache was very minor.
I took the day off work and treated it like an experiment. Once recovery started it seemed almost instantaneous.
You’ll be fine.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 8:18 am to Crimson Wraith
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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) became one of the latest high-profile figures to get sick with Covid-19, even though he's fully vaccinated. In a statement Monday, Graham said it feels like he has "the flu," but is "certain" he would be worse if he hadn't been vaccinated.
While it's impossible to know whether that's the case, public health officials are grappling with the reality of an increasing number of fully-vaccinated Americans coming down with Covid-19 infections, getting hospitalized, and even dying of Covid. The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) insists vaccination is still the best course for every eligible American. But many are asking if they have better immunity after they're infected with the virus and recover, than if they’re vaccinated.
Increasingly, the answer within the data appears to be ”yes.”
Why does CDC seem to be “ignoring" natural immunity?
Here's another anecdote which suggest natural immunity alone isn't sufficient:
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NEW ORLEANS (AP) — Republican Rep. Clay Higgins of Louisiana, a critic of mask mandates and public health restrictions during the pandemic, said he, his wife and son have contracted the coronavirus.
He made the announcement on Facebook Sunday night. He said he and his wife had been infected last year, but this time around is much more difficult. He has not said whether he has been vaccinated.
“This episode is far more challenging. It has required all my devoted energy,” he said. “We are all under excellent care, and our prognosis is positive.”
Posted on 8/3/21 at 8:21 am to Crimson Wraith
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Why does CDC seem to be “ignoring" natural immunity?
Simple.. follow the money... CDC is not longer an unbiased scientific and medical entity.. They have become just another cog in the big government machine that gets $$$ from Big Pharma and Government.. so CDC will do whatever they are told.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 8:27 am to pawpoints19
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Here's another anecdote which suggest natural immunity alone isn't sufficient:
Nothing is of value as they don't have a specimen of the virus, therefore all these numbers and prior testing is basically useless.
They're just making shite up.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 8:30 am to ItNeverRains
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I applaud the Cleveland Clinic for their honesty. It is my belief that people who have had covid have the same immunity protection as those who have vax. I hope even more studies are underway.
It's getting pretty clear that natural immunity is much more consistent and effective than the immunity you get from inoculation. Just compare results from these studies, and others coming out (such as the israeli study from a few weeks ago) and the current infected numbers of vaccinated people.
The CDC and other three letter agencies are purposely burying the number of vaccinated people that are infected, hospitalized, and die from getting sick from this virus. Now people are losing their jobs because their companies are following guidance from them in spite of this.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 8:34 am to TheBoo
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It's getting pretty clear that natural immunity is much more consistent and effective than the immunity you get from inoculation.
This is actually the opposite of true according to Trump's own Testing CZAR:
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"What I said, if you're not vaccinated or you haven't had COVID before, it's a matter of time before you get Delta. It's really that contagious. What I'm concerned about, even those that have been infected before, more and more data are showing that the natural immunity doesn't transfer so well to Delta."
Posted on 8/3/21 at 8:38 am to TheBoo
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The CDC and other three letter agencies are purposely burying the number of vaccinated people that are infected, hospitalized, and die from getting sick from this virus. Now people are losing their jobs because their companies are following guidance from them in spite of this.
More from Giroir
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"We have to get flu shots every year because flu changes. Delta has changed enough that our pre-existing natural immunity is probably not going to be as effective as we need it to be," he said. "One thing has proven true time and time again and remains true if you get vaccinated: You're 95% protected against hospitalization and death. Even though you could still get the virus and still transmit it, you're not going to die or get hospitalized. That's why you need to get the vaccine."
Posted on 8/3/21 at 8:38 am to pawpoints19
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This is actually the opposite of true according to Trump's own Testing CZAR:
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https://news.emory.edu/stories/2021/07/covid_survivors_resistance/index.html
At this point, trusting numbers and the medical industry and the government is about zero.
What the CDC did was produce a fake fricking test, literally just making shite up.
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 8:39 am
Posted on 8/3/21 at 8:39 am to NC_Tigah
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Nearly a year and a half s/p infection, getting vaccinated is medically justified.
while I am not in the anti-vax camp... some of the references in this article seem to indicate T & B cell memory could last for years based upon some of their SARS studies...
(yes I know this is a bit of an oversimplification...)
Posted on 8/3/21 at 8:47 am to pawpoints19
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This is actually the opposite of true according to Trump's own Testing CZAR:
In this highly politicized climate and subject you can find any 'expert' saying anything at this point, no matter what their qualifications may be. To that end, it's also getting pretty clear that know one really knows who to trust, no matter how much you think you trust what someone's saying.
There's so much information at our finger tips that government agencies are trying to hide it from us. That says a lot. There's enough information out there at this point that it's pretty easy to make the conclusions yourself based on data.
This guy is saying natural immunity doesn't work on the delta variant, however that statement pretty much directly contradicts the actual numbers and active studies being done and reported around the world. I'd like to hear him, or any expert, give an explanation as to why the data we are seeing before our eyes is contrary to their claims.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 8:47 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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LINK
At this point, trusting numbers and the medical industry and the government is about zero.
What the CDC did was produce a fake fricking test, literally just making shite up.
This story says nothing about the Delta variant.... So i'm not sure what relevance it has to this discussion.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 8:51 am to TheBoo
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This guy is saying natural immunity doesn't work on the delta variant, however that statement pretty much directly contradicts the actual numbers and active studies being done and reported around the world. I'd like to hear him, or any expert, give an explanation as to why the data we are seeing before our eyes is contrary to their claims.
I hear you and understand the confusion..... but if 8 out of 10 cancer doctors are saying the same thing about an emerging idea in cancer treatment i'm likely going with the 8 rather than the 2.
This all boils down to trust in the end. We don't have the knowledge or expertise to tease out all of the nuances involved so we have to rely on those that do.
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 8:53 am
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:14 am to TheBoo
The problem with natural immunity is that we don't really know who already had Covid. The testing was so scewed to positive results, that up to half of the positive tests never really had it.
If they say you don't need the vaccine if you've already had covid, there will be a lot of people who won't get it because they think they had it, but really just had a false positive test.
They're ignoring the natural immunity issue because they don't want to admit that the tests were bullshite.
If they say you don't need the vaccine if you've already had covid, there will be a lot of people who won't get it because they think they had it, but really just had a false positive test.
They're ignoring the natural immunity issue because they don't want to admit that the tests were bullshite.
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