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re: Not a Trump fan..really can’t stand him, but as a left-leaning moderate…
Posted on 6/18/25 at 11:38 am to MichiganTiger
Posted on 6/18/25 at 11:38 am to MichiganTiger
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Not a Trump fan..really can’t stand him, but as a left-leaning moderate…
There is room for people like you who are willing to debate the facts and issues rationally without the ad hominem attacks which permeate so much of political discourse. There is no room for Trump Derangement Syndrome nor is there room for the purity demands that often fuel bluster from the right.
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Posted on 6/18/25 at 11:44 am to GumboPot
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Natanz is only 40 feet deep. It's a good target for bunker busters.
Fordow is estimated to be 260 to 360 feet deep. That would be a waste of bunker busters.
New Underground Facility is also estimated 260 to 360 feet deep.
I bet all of the nuclear material and equipment have been moved to Natanz and the new underground facility. Bunker busters can't reach them.
Don't be so simplistic.
First of all, BBs can be dropped in succession to increase penetration.
Second, how in the hell do you think they get personnel and supplies down there? A transporter? Stargate rings? Nope good ol' tunnels/elevator systems that reach the surface. As access tunnels are destroyed, they are exponentially harder to rebuild since the rock strata is fractured and unstable.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 11:46 am to MichiganTiger
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now would be the time to use the bunker buster
I have a better idea. Sell bunker busters to Israel for billions of $ and let them use it their GDselves.
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Nobody else has both a plane big enough to carry them and the actual ordinance
Fortunately we're a Capitalist country. Just found another sales opportunity. Sell 20 bunker busters and 4 planes that can transport and drop them. That should get us tens of billions of $. Now carve out ~ $2 billion outta that and add funding to border patrol and your wall.
This post was edited on 6/18/25 at 11:55 am
Posted on 6/18/25 at 11:47 am to MichiganTiger
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If they open the doors to their facilities and let us neuter them without having to level them, then I’m all for it. But I don’t trust their words.
Crazy thinking considering Iran hasn’t attacked another nation in centuries.
They have the God given right to defend themselves against Israel. America thinks it can play God.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 11:48 am to MichiganTiger
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….which on this dumbass board = flaming liberal socialist commie…
well if the boot fits...
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now would be the time to use the bunker buster.
I agree.. Just end the issue once and for all.. Iran is all bark honestly..
Posted on 6/18/25 at 11:56 am to MichiganTiger
LOL...left leaning moderate,,,
did you vote for Kamala?
did you vote for Kamala?
Posted on 6/18/25 at 11:56 am to GumboPot
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Bunker busters can't reach them.
Sequential detonation.
Also, it is unlikely that the actual penetration levels for the GBU-57 are publicly available.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:02 pm to MichiganTiger
Here's the question, do we want more countries to have atomic bombs? Do we want Iran to have an atomic bomb?
It's a yes or no.
Now besides that, if you take out the Ayatollah and the whole upper echelon of people ready to take over which Iran has prepared for Iran is well aware that probably 15 to 20 of their top leaders could die and they still have people ready to take his spot.
This is not iraq, Iran is a much larger country than Iraq. Do you want to put a puppet in place are you willing to fight another country like Russia or China putting up a puppet in place?
People have this fantasy of if you kill the leader then all the sudden the country's going to be Democratic and everything's going to be great, that's not reality.
Iran had a democratically elected leader in the '50s and the CIA overthrew him for oil, then we put the Shaw in place and although he was trying to educate Iranians and lift people out of poverty he was also extremely brutal and when he was overthrown unfortunately The nut Job religious freaks took over and it's been that way since then.
This is not going to be quick, this is not going to be easy, it's not just a wham bam thank you ma'am type deal.
I don't want to get involved in another foreign f****** war and lose more young men for b*******.
But I also don't want Iran to develop a nuclear weapon. That's all I can say for certain.
It's a yes or no.
Now besides that, if you take out the Ayatollah and the whole upper echelon of people ready to take over which Iran has prepared for Iran is well aware that probably 15 to 20 of their top leaders could die and they still have people ready to take his spot.
This is not iraq, Iran is a much larger country than Iraq. Do you want to put a puppet in place are you willing to fight another country like Russia or China putting up a puppet in place?
People have this fantasy of if you kill the leader then all the sudden the country's going to be Democratic and everything's going to be great, that's not reality.
Iran had a democratically elected leader in the '50s and the CIA overthrew him for oil, then we put the Shaw in place and although he was trying to educate Iranians and lift people out of poverty he was also extremely brutal and when he was overthrown unfortunately The nut Job religious freaks took over and it's been that way since then.
This is not going to be quick, this is not going to be easy, it's not just a wham bam thank you ma'am type deal.
I don't want to get involved in another foreign f****** war and lose more young men for b*******.
But I also don't want Iran to develop a nuclear weapon. That's all I can say for certain.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:10 pm to MichiganTiger
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s a left-leaning moderate
Why do you feel the need to keep using this qualifier?
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:13 pm to GumboPot
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Bunker busters can only penetrate an estimated 200 feet?
Before detonating.
What do you think a succession of drops could reach?
This post was edited on 6/18/25 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:13 pm to Craig86
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Iran had a democratically elected leader in the '50s and the CIA overthrew him for oil
Good points. The only thing that needs to be added to this is we did it at the request of the British Empire because they wanted Iran's oil fields.
So many of that regions and the worlds issues began with the greed and mistakes the British made.
Yet we are the ones trying to clean up the messes while the Brits sit on their island.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:24 pm to Tridentds
Have Trump tell them we won't level your country if you religate the Ayatollas to a ceremonial roll and run your government in a more secular fashion.
You must allow us or an international coalition to destroy enrichment capabilities and 6 month inspections going forward into perpetuity because you are not trustworthy.
If you cannot abide by this....well, enjoy your 72 goats with your pedophile prophet.
You must allow us or an international coalition to destroy enrichment capabilities and 6 month inspections going forward into perpetuity because you are not trustworthy.
If you cannot abide by this....well, enjoy your 72 goats with your pedophile prophet.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:24 pm to MichiganTiger
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Obama deported more illegals than Trump
no sir
more illegals were allegedly caught at the border and "turned around" under Obama, and those numbers were included in "deportations" - he did not actually remove as many people from the country
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:29 pm to MichiganTiger
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Obama deported more illegals than Trump
Because he didn't have the judicial branch blocking every move or thought he had about deportations. Obama also didn't have the MSM against him deporting illegals either.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:37 pm to MichiganTiger
Trump is a left leaning moderate. If you think he is some product of the right wing extremists, then you are in fact a flaming left winger extremist.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:52 pm to MichiganTiger
quote:This is false. They redefined "deportation" for appearances.
Obama deported more illegals than Trump
quote:This exists as the H2-A program. But, if we cracked down on handouts and those defrauding the disability programs, there would be citizens willing to do the work.
I also think we need to figure out how to legally have unskilled workers come to this country to do the jobs our people aren’t willing to do
Posted on 6/18/25 at 1:02 pm to DarkDrifter
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I agree.. Just end the issue once and for all.. Iran is all bark honestly..
And you convinced yourself you’re the good guy casually calling for the murder of innocent people you consider all bark??
Posted on 6/18/25 at 1:04 pm to MichiganTiger
Glad you gave your opinion
Posted on 6/18/25 at 1:04 pm to Obtuse1
What happens to the enriched uranium if a bomb reaches it? It doesn’t explode, correct?
It seems if there is a surrender, the acquisition of that would be the first demand.
It seems if there is a surrender, the acquisition of that would be the first demand.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 1:06 pm to MichiganTiger
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left-leaning moderate
What Republican views do you espouse that make you a moderate?
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