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re: Obamacare sucks-what are everyone’s thoughts on replacement?
Posted on 10/26/25 at 2:11 pm to Wednesday
Posted on 10/26/25 at 2:11 pm to Wednesday
quote:The fact that you want to replace it, rather than remove it gives democrats and Leftists a stiffy. They have won. You just don't know it yet.
Obamacare sucks-what are everyone’s thoughts on replacement?
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Posted on 10/26/25 at 2:13 pm to Wednesday
quote:
Obamacare sucks
Obama has been out of office for how many years? If regulations have needed adjustment, the inaction is not Obama’s.
Posted on 10/26/25 at 2:21 pm to TBoy
Adjustments.
Ffs you clown it's been bandaged together since the abortion was signed.
Ffs you clown it's been bandaged together since the abortion was signed.
Posted on 10/26/25 at 2:23 pm to Wednesday
Trump said he was two weeks away from releasing his healthcare plan—-in 2016
Posted on 10/26/25 at 2:25 pm to NC_Tigah
I understand that’s not what you were advocating for, which is why I am telling you the fantasy land you want where doctors aren’t sued for being shite is the VA.
This post was edited on 10/26/25 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 10/26/25 at 2:36 pm to Wednesday
#1 Repeal obama-scam. It was INTENTIONALLY designed to fail.
Doubtful that can happen though. Keep nibbling away at the edges of it.
Get the DOJ to bring up lawsuits against it. Get it back before the Supreme Court, maybe sellout John Roberts will rethink it.
DJT needs to start pressuring Congress to repeal it.
#2 This is a huge one. Get the SAD, aka Standard American Diet, back in line. This is being worked on by RFKjr but he is getting major resistance from all directions.
Countries like Japan MANDATE healthy eating habits to be taught in their schools. They have low disease rates and many live to be HEALTHY 100 year olds.
Sadly, that is changing though because they are adopting our SAD.
Too many teens, 20-30-40somethings are hugely obese that have diabetes, heart disease among other health issues.
Reintroduce exercise in elementary, mid and high schools. Anyone remember their PE classes?
Go out and you will see fat little kids EVERYWHERE. That includes young adults as well, mid-aged folks too.
#3 Tort reform. Yes, when the medical field is negligent, they need to be held accountable. But there are hundreds of trail lawyers behind every corner looking to make mucho OT $$$.
#4 Those with pre-existing conditions. Recreate 'rick pools' so those who have health issues can get the medical care they need.
Before obama-scam was crammed down our throats, many states had high risk pools. obama-scam outlawed them.
Offer doctors and medical providers generous tax breaks and subsidies to care for those who have pre-existing health conditions.
Start allowing more young people to enter the medical profession again. We need MDs, NPs, PAs, NPNs.
These are just a few things I can think of.
Doubtful that can happen though. Keep nibbling away at the edges of it.
Get the DOJ to bring up lawsuits against it. Get it back before the Supreme Court, maybe sellout John Roberts will rethink it.
DJT needs to start pressuring Congress to repeal it.
#2 This is a huge one. Get the SAD, aka Standard American Diet, back in line. This is being worked on by RFKjr but he is getting major resistance from all directions.
Countries like Japan MANDATE healthy eating habits to be taught in their schools. They have low disease rates and many live to be HEALTHY 100 year olds.
Sadly, that is changing though because they are adopting our SAD.
Too many teens, 20-30-40somethings are hugely obese that have diabetes, heart disease among other health issues.
Reintroduce exercise in elementary, mid and high schools. Anyone remember their PE classes?
Go out and you will see fat little kids EVERYWHERE. That includes young adults as well, mid-aged folks too.
#3 Tort reform. Yes, when the medical field is negligent, they need to be held accountable. But there are hundreds of trail lawyers behind every corner looking to make mucho OT $$$.
#4 Those with pre-existing conditions. Recreate 'rick pools' so those who have health issues can get the medical care they need.
Before obama-scam was crammed down our throats, many states had high risk pools. obama-scam outlawed them.
Offer doctors and medical providers generous tax breaks and subsidies to care for those who have pre-existing health conditions.
Start allowing more young people to enter the medical profession again. We need MDs, NPs, PAs, NPNs.
These are just a few things I can think of.
Posted on 10/26/25 at 2:36 pm to Jbird
quote:
it's been bandaged together since the abortion was signed.
The republican “bandages” have been fairly described as sabotage.
We are still waiting for the republican plan that has been promised for more than a decade.
Posted on 10/26/25 at 2:40 pm to TBoy
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Obama has been out of office for how many years?
Less than 1 yr if you’re being honest. And you don’t get to get away with putting that utter communist in the government for 8 (12) years. You own every failure of his, and this was the biggest.
I don’t care how many years he’s been out of office, Obamacare is the greatest legislative frick up of all time. It should be an albatross around his neck. His stench is was and will forever be all over it.
Legitimately EVERYTHING people like me tried to warn you about, and were scared would happen - DID HAPPEN. Don’t ever, ever, fricking ever try to put this debacle on anyone else but Obama. He rammed it down our throats. He lied about it. Repeatedly. And now the Democrats are trying to act like they didn’t drop this whole nuclear bomb on the economy and people’s lives. We’re stuck with it bc your party won’t even consider even altering it, to the extent that they are willing to eliminate SNAP benefits for people who don’t pay for your shitty health insurance. They get Medicaid. Which is FREE TO THEM. I pay my premiums, somebody else’s premium, and for Medicaid.
You people just blame it on Obama’s victims the people who don’t get $4000 / month in food stamps and who actually pay for their health insurance. I will not be shamed.
When I look at Obama’s smug face, all I can think of is the wrecking ball he attached to my health insurance. It’s personal. And frick him. This is 100% his doing. I blame him and the rest of the idiots who supported him entirely.
This post was edited on 10/26/25 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 10/26/25 at 2:40 pm to shutterspeed
Posted on 10/26/25 at 2:41 pm to Hateradedrink
quote:You misunderstand.
I am telling you the fantasy land you want where doctors aren’t sued for being shite
Our medmal system is counterproductive. 74% of suits filed against physicians are found to be meritless. 5.8% go to trial. ~20% settle out-of-court. Time to settlement for an injured patient can be years.
I'm not proposing doctors could not be sued. If that path was chosen, it would be accomplished through a parallel system similar to what we have currently, albeit with additional potential impact on the MD's professional credentials (which is not currently the case).
I am proposing an alternate path be offered to patients with bad outcomes.
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How Denmark Dumped Medical Malpractice and Improved Patient Safety
In the U.S., patients harmed during medical care have few avenues for redress. The Danes chose to forget about fault and focus on what’s fair.
by Olga Pierce and Marshall Allen
Dec. 31, 2015
COPENHAGEN — It was a distressingly close call. A patient had been sent home from the hospital with instructions to take a common medication at a dose that would have poisoned her.
When Dr. Ole Hamberg heard about the mistake, he decided to investigate.
Hamberg, the head liver specialist at Rigshospitalet, the Danish national hospital, soon found something troubling. The hospital’s electronic prescribing system was mistakenly prompting doctors to give the drug, methotrexate, for daily use when it is safely taken only once or twice a week.
Patients throughout Denmark were being poisoned, Hamberg learned, thanks to the medical error. At his hospital, Hamberg made sure prescribing protocols were fixed and doctors and patients were informed. The problem quickly abated.
Hamberg was able to rapidly see a dangerous pattern because of something that doesn’t exist in the United States: A comprehensive national program to compensate victims of patient harm — and to learn from them by collecting and analyzing the data their experiences provide.
Patients who’d been overdosed filed claims under the compensation program, which makes its data available to hospitals and researchers. “Of course I use this information in my department,” Hamberg said. “We discuss how we can avoid this injury the next time.”
The Danish system offers lessons for policymakers in the United States, where medical harm remains widespread and the mechanisms for addressing it are often cumbersome and adversarial. The Danes’ primary focus is on helping patients who have been hurt by the health care system. While the reams of data gathered from claims aren’t used to publicly rate doctors and hospitals, or to systematically search for bad actors, they can help flag providers who have repeat errors and may pose a risk.
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The U.S. system for compensating injured patients — medical malpractice lawsuits — effectively shuts out patients when the potential damages are small. Proving negligence, the usual standard for winning compensation, is difficult. There are scant incentives for doctors and hospitals to apologize, reveal details about what happened, or report errors that might unveil a pattern.
Denmark offers a radically different alternative, as do similar programs in other Scandinavian countries ...
Common to all these programs is a commitment to provide information and compensation to patients regardless of whether negligence is involved. That lowers the bar of entry for patients and doesn’t pit doctors against them, enabling providers to be open about what happened.
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If a patient believes negligence was involved, it can be reported to a parallel system for professional discipline.
LINK
Posted on 10/26/25 at 2:51 pm to TBoy
Lol what about the Dem bandages Corky?
Posted on 10/26/25 at 2:59 pm to dalefla
quote:
We don't guarantee people a high paying job or a 2500sqft house, why do we provide them with the same care everyone that works gets?
I think the same health care and affordable health care are different things.
quote:
I'm not suggesting we let people die but people that don't pay for their own healthcare tend to use the ER for primary care or rush to the Dr everytime they catch a cold.
Which is why I limited to those who work/can't work (To note I would make can't work much stricter)
quote:
Before Obamacare, those with pre-existing conditions were put in high risk pools. Now we're all basically in high risk pools.
Unregulated high risk pools, the insurance companies wanted to put everyone in there.
It was a loophole to deny people coverage.
That's how we got those cases of people working 80 hours a week with a sick spouse and broke.
quote:
Obamacare was and is the worst legislation in my lifetime and I'm now old. frick Obama, frick McCain, and frick SCCJ Roberts
I completely agree.
Posted on 10/26/25 at 6:05 pm to Wednesday
quote:
When I look at Obama’s smug face, all I can think of is the wrecking ball he attached to my health insurance. It’s personal. And frick him. This is 100% his doing. I blame him and the rest of the idiots who supported him entirely.
Lol you ppl can't give any credit simply due to the hate you have in your heart.
I dislike Trump but his first term was good.
There is no meaningful metric you can point to that suggest Obama was as bad you you guys make him out to be.
It's all hate for no reason with no metrics to back it up.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 4:20 pm to The_Duke
quote:This thread is about Obamacare.
There is no meaningful metric you can point to that suggest Obama was as bad you you guys make him out to be.
Obamacare was/is a program DESIGNED TO FAIL by Obama as a forced bridge to socialization. Now we're stuck on Obama's crumbling bridge (a bridge which was deliberately designed to crumble). You think that is not a "meaningful metric"?
His behavior in the 2016-2017 transition was a total betrayal to the country, and arguably treason. You think that is not a "meaningful metric"?
Those are very "meaningful metrics" IMO.
This post was edited on 10/27/25 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 10/27/25 at 4:32 pm to Wednesday
Whatever we would choose to replace Obamacare I just don't want to hear this absurdity about free medical care for illegal aliens.
Hopefully President Trump will eventually get around to deporting illegal aliens.......all of them.
America for Americans.
Hopefully President Trump will eventually get around to deporting illegal aliens.......all of them.
America for Americans.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 5:43 pm to TigerBaitOohHaHa
quote:
Keeping non emergency cases out of ER.
How do you even begin to quantify this? There are people who show up in ER’s with what appears on the surface to be minor issues, when they’re actually serious?
Posted on 10/27/25 at 6:07 pm to TheHarahanian
HSAs are great. Everyone should have one. Totally deregulate the industry and make people actually shop and compare for services. Also, when you are paying out of your own pocket, preventative care has more meaning.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 6:13 pm to Wednesday
The goal is single payer.
We need a serious reform.
Go to the doctor. The bill will be $5000 tell them your paying cash and the bill drops to $800. What's up with that?
I'm just glad i have a plan with a out of pocket max. I'm looking to get a half million dollar surgery soon. So i don't complain about my high insurance costs. I get my money worth. But it has been a lot worse with the ACA.
We need a serious reform.
Go to the doctor. The bill will be $5000 tell them your paying cash and the bill drops to $800. What's up with that?
I'm just glad i have a plan with a out of pocket max. I'm looking to get a half million dollar surgery soon. So i don't complain about my high insurance costs. I get my money worth. But it has been a lot worse with the ACA.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 6:17 pm to Napoleon
quote:For . . . .
The goal is single payer.
Groceries?
Cars?
Car Insurance?
AI?
College tuition?
Why in any of those instances would the "goal" be Communism?
Posted on 10/27/25 at 6:21 pm to Robcrzy
quote:
First Step would be a non profit system for insurance and then major healthcare reforms where things are capped
None of this is possible as long as the ultra rich corporations can "donate" money to elected Congressman. Not only in health care but also in anything corporations can make profits.
It's a fine line to hold. The true failures in this great system our forefathers left is is you and I. We the people.....
We are the only ones responsible for our elected leaders.
Hem and haw about all the excuses you want to, but the sad truth is stated above. Look in tbe mirror folks....
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