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re: Pornography is not conservative
Posted on 7/19/21 at 1:11 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
Posted on 7/19/21 at 1:11 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
Sorry, if it had merit then food would not be considered conservative either.
By the number of posts many have here.....this place is not conservative.
By the number of posts many have here.....this place is not conservative.
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Posted on 7/19/21 at 1:13 pm to MAADFACTS
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There are levels of abstractions, man. I’m willing to to die for the constitution and the rights guaranteed within. I’m not martyring myself for Allah, or Jesus, or any other imaginary friend in the sky. Are they all abstractions? Sure. But one is based on observing the world around us, and allegiance to our ancestors who lived in the relatively recent past, and the other is based on the myths of people telling stories 2,000 years ago. It’s make as much sense to die for the Marvel super heroes
So you're willing to die for the opinions that you think are true and important. Just like other people.
And you can observe the real world all you like; it's not going to magically give you a value about what you're observing. You can observe what is, but nature is silent about whether what you're observing is "right" or "wrong". A lion kills cubs and we call that nature, a man does it and we call it murder. It's all opinion according to you.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 1:18 pm to Robin Masters
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At a certain point we should separate the individual from their profession.
Is that even possible in a “profession” which is totally dependent upon the sexual persona of the individual?
Perhaps so but I have my doubts.
Do a “safe” image search of “Brandi Love” and all that appears are provocative images of the scantily clad performer:
Posted on 7/19/21 at 1:19 pm to the808bass
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Without a belief in a transcendent moral order, there is no Constitution. You’re living on a vestigial tail of morality engrained from Judeo-Christian tradition and you don’t even know it.
The constitution doesn’t mention god. You may need to believe in a “transcendent moral order” to get out of the bed in the morning, but that doesn’t make it real. When some derka derka dude ties bombs to himself and blows up a school bus in the Middle East he also thinks he is serving a “transcendent moral order”. Where is this order? Why is it hiding from us? What purpose could there possibly be to anything happening on a nothing planet in a vast and dead universe stretching in all directions, possibly infinitely? I care about myself, my family, and my country - in that order. The minute my country tries to take away my family’s rights or my rights I oppose it. Other than that, I’m down for bombing the shite out of anyone who seeks to impose their will on my country. If my family tries to impose on my rights? They absolutely don’t get too. I am the breadwinner and I get to make the rules. Beyond that? I don’t really care about what you believe in, as long as you put the rights of the individual above all else
Posted on 7/19/21 at 1:21 pm to Pettifogger
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eah but do you think we can win promoting this brand? I'm not being antagonistic, I think about it a lot so I'm curious as to whether you think this coalition is strong enough.
I think we are already there . 2016 proved that, although with a pretty unique candidate in Trump. The coalition is already there, the only partial holdouts remain Christian/ Cultural Conservatives or those who are just morally vain contrarians who enjoy being “ above” the moral and intellectual riff- raff. Now don’t take this as a criticism of Christian or Cultural Conservatives as there is absolutely nothing wrong with defending the greatness of Western Civilization , just that they need to realize that if the ideologically- possessed Leftists complete their project for America, it’s game over for them. If that means pretending you don’t have a boner when a crazy hot pornstar is in your midst, so be it.
You make your peace with those who offend you, and you join forces. It’s called winning and that’s what we should do. We should unite and win . Call ourselves Americans and win.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 1:23 pm to Flats
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You can observe what is, but nature is silent about whether what you're observing is "right" or "wrong". A lion kills cubs and we call that nature, a man does it and we call it murder. It's all opinion according to you.
To a certain extent yes. Whether or not you believe it is “wrong” for a man to kill children is entirely arbitrary. Men kill children all the time and get celebrated as heroes if the children belonged to some other country. It’s been this way forever. So yes, it is a societal “construct” that child murder is wrong. There’s no transcendental necessary. Does that information make you want to run out and kill children? I sincerely hope not, because some constructs are as important to a functioning society as having water.
This post was edited on 7/19/21 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 7/19/21 at 1:24 pm to MAADFACTS
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I care about myself, my family, and my country - in that order.
Then you believe in a transcendent moral order and don’t realize it. You haven’t thought six inches deep into the epistemology of your life.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 1:25 pm to MAADFACTS
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I sincerely hope not, because some constructs are as important to a functioning society as having water.
What a functioning society looks like is also "entirely arbitrary", according to you.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 1:26 pm to La Place Mike
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Define Conservative.
Conserving the culture and civilization of the West, particularly the American variant, which has this order of importance:
God
Family
Country
Everything else… especially tax rates… and Muh Free Market…is secondary to that.
If you want to make porn normal and socially acceptable, the LOLbertarians are your party. It’s a big priority of theirs, along with Heroin kiosks at the gas station and eliminating age of consent so Yale queer theory professors can have sex with 8 year old boys.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 1:28 pm to Flats
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What a functioning society looks like is also "entirely arbitrary", according to you.
That is not entirely arbitrary. We have history to see what works and didn’t work and lost- enlightenment Western European civilization has been a rousing success. It’s only arbitrary in that it didn’t happen for a reason apart from the reason of men. The universe absolutely does not care one way or another if you raise your children to be productive members of society or if you spend your days peeing into a cup and drinking it
Posted on 7/19/21 at 1:33 pm to the808bass
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Then you believe in a transcendent moral order and don’t realize it. You haven’t thought six inches deep into the epistemology of your life.
There’s nothing to think about. My experience is my own. It began when I was born and will end when I die. I will never be outside my experience so it is the most precious thing to me. I made children and brought them into the world. They are not me. They matter less than I do. However, they are cute and helpless and so my brain wants me to take care of them. It is painful to not take care of them. So I do, but it is subordinate to my concerns for myself. My country is the land I was born into. It introduced me to the world and so it has my allegiance. The people I like are all here. The writers I read are either from here or part of the greater Anglosphere which is of an intellectual whole with my country and it’s traditions. At no point does your weird transcendent idea come to play as desperately as you want it too
Posted on 7/19/21 at 1:33 pm to League Champs
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Most of the women people whack to aren't real. They are surgically, pixelated, and cosmetically enhanced.
You have the same critiques of Hollywood movies?
You can know something isn't real and still enjoy the show.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 1:34 pm to MAADFACTS
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The universe absolutely does not care one way or another if you raise your children to be productive members of society or if you spend your days peeing into a cup and drinking it
Link?
Posted on 7/19/21 at 1:34 pm to anc
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Pornography is not conservative
Why does is have to be anything? It's just porn man.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 1:35 pm to Azkiger
Some of these dudes would think Hollywood movies were real if their minister told them they were
Posted on 7/19/21 at 1:35 pm to MAADFACTS
You’re living a life of contradiction. Your “pain” when you don’t take care of your children is imaginary in your world of thought. You’re a slave to the imaginary. You imagine people are important to you. They’re not. You imagine an artificial boundary line that comprises your country is important.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 1:39 pm to MAADFACTS
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They matter less than I do.
this is a pretty fricked up view of your kids... I sincerely hope you do not really have any...
Posted on 7/19/21 at 1:39 pm to RollTide1987
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Link?
Thought experiment: how far away from you in the universe do your children matter? They matter to you, presumably to your family. It matters to the government because ultimately they will be responsible for either getting taxes from them or incarcerating them one day. So they also matter to your fellow tax payers. Do they matter to people in Canada? Or Mexico? No, not really. So right outside the nation’s borders your children and your raising of them cease mattering to the greater universe. We didn’t even have to leave the human species let alone earth. Do you have any idea how big the universe is?
Now let’s see how concerned the universe is with you drinking pee all day: well it matters to you, and probably anyone you know closely. And that’s it. The people in your town that don’t know you don’t even give a shite
Posted on 7/19/21 at 1:40 pm to anc
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There is a saying. Public parks, political movements and pussy, if access to them isn’t exclusive then they will inevitably turn to shite. Not saying that the right should exclude everyone over disagreements but letting trannies and porn stars into the movement isn’t going to get us anywhere
Posted on 7/19/21 at 1:41 pm to MAADFACTS
quote:Whether they were familiar or not with the phrase is irrelevant to whether or not the phrase accurately conveys the truth of the matter.
You can kind of argue that their starting assumptions about the universe were themselves the products of or at least influenced by the christian centuries the preceded them, but none of them would have said that they had a “biblical worldview” and would have thought your phrasing of that was somewhere between disingenuous and repugnant.
quote:No, not all principles are thought up by men. Some principles are reflections of realities that stem from God and are therefore universal truths.
Yes, they are. Literally every concept you’ve ever heard in your life, including your “biblical worldview” was thought up by men.
quote:You used the bloodshed of religion as a basis for saying they didn't agree with religion and I said that was false. I'm glad you seem to have clarified your statement, but it's still not true.
I didn’t say that the founders were pacifists. I said that they weren’t religious and were skeptical or religion because of the centuries of persecution and bloodshed that had enveloped Western Europe since the reformation. The whole point of the enlightenment was to prioritize human reason to start from a naturalistic understanding of the world and then build from there. The idea being that it’s worth fighting and dying for real things but not for made up hooey
The founders were mostly very religious, or religiously-minded, even if they weren't all specifically Christian like Jefferson. They couldn't help but be given their cultural context, and nearly all of America at that time considered themselves Christian. Atheists were mostly non-existent and, while Deism had grown in popularity in the preceding century or two, few of the founders were actually Deists. Those that were were notable and prominent, but the vast majority of the delegates at the Continental Congress were Christian. Even Christians who were impacted by the Enlightenment weren't throwing away Christianity, but were tempering their application of their faith to matters of the state, as many of the early Christian Reformers did during the 1500s and early 1600s, leading up to the Enlightenment.
All that, as well as the fact that the founders referenced the Bible more than all other Enlightenment authors combined, means that Christianity, or more broadly, a biblical worldview, was at the forefront of the thinking within the culture at the time. State constitutions, pamphlets, declarations, and even the calls to prayer and fasting that surrounded the founding of our country were soaked with Christianity and you can't escape it, no matter how much you want to believe that our country was founded by mostly Deists who cared nothing for the Bible or the predominately Christian worldviews espoused by the people of this country at the time it was founded.
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