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re: RFK exposing more secrets by Big Pharma…
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:18 am to crazy4lsu
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:18 am to crazy4lsu
quote:The supposed board "doctors" have spent 20 pages telling everyone why people should do what they tell them to do. But I get that you can't see why that's contrary to liberty and tantamount to authoritarianism
fighting against tyranny isn’t necessarily the same as fighting for liberty
quote:What I'm describing is simple - the CDC/govt collusion was authoritarian meaning, anti liberty/freedom. The board "doctors" have spent 20 pages criticizing the person who is trying to track down those authoritarians. You're at the point where you're arguing against liberty, from a position liberty I might add. That's called special pleading and smuggled in authority
That is also the one you happen to use as your definition without seemingly realizing it
quote:I'm a liberty lover, what can I say. Are you incapable of minding your own business and understanding that healthcare shouldn't be authoritarian?
Incurious again
quote:That's all you needed to say, Mussolini
Some of them were. It depends on who we are talking about
quote:And the healthcare system would adjust like it always has. The govt/media tried to fearmonger everyone into hospitals being "overrun." It never happened. Moreover, if that's what people choose, then let them suffer the consequences.
pediatric ward capacity would be stressed in a situation where we privileged your version of liberty
quote:Ok SFP. Ackkkssshhhuuuullllyyyy
I used different verbiage
quote:Let us know when you have a grown up response
I am sure you think you did but again, you have done a remarkably poor job of doing anything
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Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:24 am to Hateradedrink
quote:
The mandatory vaccination should have only been applied to cohorts with high risk of complications from acquiring immunity naturally, and even then you can make a good argument that mandating it caused more harm than good because of the social aspect.
If you can argue that it was decisive in driving Trump's re-election and selection of RFK Jr. you may ultimately be right despite the program being clearly a success in strict terms of COVID outcomes. I think the whole pandemic badly worsened public skepticism toward government but wasn't the cause of it (after all, it contributed the first election of Trump and the backlash to Trump 1 and the 2020 contested election, etc.). International comparisons are important. Most other comparable countries had mandates and have had less backlash and our pre-pandemic political dysfunction is a major part of that.
This post was edited on 9/8/25 at 9:27 am
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:25 am to somethingdifferent
quote:
The board "doctors" have spent 20 pages criticizing the person who is trying to track down those authoritarians.
Lol. RFK isn't going to do anything to 'track down' these supposed authoritarians. Good lord, you are living in an alternate dimension.
quote:
I'm a liberty lover, what can I say. Are you incapable of minding your own business and understanding that healthcare shouldn't be authoritarian?
Sure thing bud.
quote:
That's all you needed to say, Mussolini
Lol, you were led astray by morons. Sucks to be you.
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Let us know when you have a grown up response
Once you've learned what a symptom is, or how science actually works, then maybe I'll do more than treat you like a retarded child. Given that is what you are though, it is a stretch. Go complain in the other thread some more you loser.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:26 am to TigerDoc
quote:
Best you got, I guess.
Do you have any links where someone can actually view the studies and the results, with a layman's explanation of how they reached the conclusion they were safe?
Additionally, where they show the difference between the vaccinated and the controlled group?
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:27 am to TigerDoc
quote:
It killed >1500 kids in the US. Is still killing them, actually.
bullshite! I studied this during the pandemic. They were counting deaths WITH covid, not deaths FROM covid. Now that is a small but significant error when you are discussing a cohort of people in the 60 to 70 age group that has a substantial number of actual covid deaths. When you move to the 50 to 60 cohort, the error due to counting the WITHs instead of the FROMs is larger. When you move to the 0-10 cohort the error is huge, perhaps almost the whole enchilada. Hardly any children died, or had serious effects, from covid. This is why responsible health bureaucracies in most advanced countries have outlawed mandates for children.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:27 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Counter example #1
It has not happened in a clinically reproducible way
Counter example #2
Counter example #3
Counter example #4
Counter example #5
quote:Or, I'm not interested in your stupid narrow definitions of things. I'm talking about cause and effect. But keep trying to move the goalposts around.
You still don’t understand what a symptom is
quote:Tell me more about how complicated liberty is.
it’s okay for you to fail this portion like you’ve failed other portions
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:27 am to crazy4lsu
quote:
how science actually works, then maybe I'll do more than treat you like a retarded child.
How science works according to crazy4lsu: I get to tell you what we’re going to force into your body because I’m smarter than you and know what’s best for you, and you’ll shut the frick up and do as you’re fricking told, or we’ll make you into a second class citizen who is unable to own a home or have a job.
This post was edited on 9/8/25 at 9:28 am
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:32 am to TigerDoc
quote:
RFK wants vaccines to be more feared, less available, more expensive, less used.
You’re a physician?
Wow. What a hack you are.
RFKjr is advocating for our safety.
Look at what you are doing. You are playing politics with the well-being of the people you were supposed to be caring for.
My house times have changed.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:32 am to somethingdifferent
quote:
Counter example #1
Counter example #2
Counter example #3
Counter example #4
Counter example #5
Holy shite, you don't even understand what you linked. Christ they aren't sending their best. Also that last example is drivel.
quote:
Or, I'm not interested in your stupid narrow definitions of things. I'm talking about cause and effect. But keep trying to move the goalposts around.
I'm talking about the pathologic basis of cellular injury. Sorry you can't reach that standard. You would be mocked during grand rounds. Sucks.
quote:
Tell me more about how complicated liberty is.
For you, yes.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:32 am to crazy4lsu
quote:If I'm not giving you specifics, then what in the world are you quoting in your responses genius
Nah
quote:I cited specific problems with the peer review process. I quoted comments RFK jr has made about those problems. You are as bad as SFP. NUH UHN. Like a freaking child
That isn’t really illustrative of knowing what the specific problem is and knowing how to fix it
quote:
More vague nonsense
The peer review process lacks transparency which would uncover people who are influenced by money. Yeah. That's SOOO vague quote:
He is not
Ok TDS person. Physician, heal thyself quote:Yet another simple question that you won't answer.
I don’t think you actually have any insight into how scientific research is conducted. Hence why you retreat to the vaguest position and retreat from clarity
Did people mischaracterize the effects of tobacco due to monetary influence, YES OR NO
quote:He's only been in office for a few weeks genius
you’ve given me no indication that he is going to be able to fix any part of what you claim is broken
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:35 am to somethingdifferent
quote:
I cited specific problems with the peer review process.
No you didn't.
quote:
The peer review process lacks transparency which would uncover people who are influenced by money.
Again, said by someone who has no understanding of the process.
quote:
Did people mischaracterize the effects of tobacco due to monetary influence
I wonder who led the charge to change this...
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He's only been in office for a few weeks genius
Sure thing.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:36 am to winkchance
sure, here's a good starter piece on the 3 currently marketed vaccines.
LINK
Happy to walk you through questions about it.
LINK
Happy to walk you through questions about it.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:37 am to crazy4lsu
quote:The points I have made are facile and salient. I don't care about your goalpost moving. But I get that you don't understand that. RFK jr made a simple, simple point in the OP. You have tried to muddy the waters and it's not working on me.
You can’t follow an argument to save your life
quote:Knock yourself out champ
No, so I can teach you what a symptom is again
quote:It's amazing you can read minds. You should go on the road with that act. Still waiting on that education in how complicated liberty is
And several more people that you haven’t read
quote:I'll say this yet again. When pressed, you sycophants will say healthcare should be questioned. But YOU get to decide who asks the questions. Now go on about the scientific process
The emotional posts here are the ones in which you profess to know anything about the scientific process
quote:Ok Mussolini, the liberty expert
Go whine in that new thread after you proved you shouldn’t have an opinion on any aspect of modern life with any complexity
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:38 am to somethingdifferent
quote:
When pressed, you sycophants will say healthcare should be questioned. But YOU get to decide who asks the questions.
Well, yes, because you are incredibly dim.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:41 am to crazy4lsu
quote:
No you didn't
You are worse than a child. 1. I stated that the money is not transparent. People are influenced by money
2. I stated journals have used unscrupulous methods in attaining desired results
I'm starting to wonder if you're just a troll. No one is this childish, except for SFP
quote:
said by someone who has no understanding of the process
Genetic fallacy. Is it true, yes or no? Are people, yes even your precious medical professionals, influenced by money. YES OR NO quote:So the answer you won't give is yes, people are influenced by money to do unscrupulous things. Thank you for that passive admission of defeat and note, you're agreeing with RFK jr, AGAIN
I wonder who led the charge to change this
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:42 am to crazy4lsu
quote:
crazy4lsu
They/them/it
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:43 am to somethingdifferent
quote:
1. I stated that the money is not transparent. People are influenced by money
2. I stated journals have used unscrupulous methods in attaining desired results
Dear lord, you really don't know what you are talking about.
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Is it true, yes or no?
Describe to me what peer review is. Describe the process of how a paper is submitted to a journal and then the process of peer review. Walk me through it little man.
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So the answer you won't give is yes, people are influenced by money to do unscrupulous things.
Nah, it is just another subject where you don't know the details and will try to take a victory lap because your ignorance of those details is so profound.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:47 am to Penrod
Kids thankfully do far better than older adults, but “rare” isn’t “none,” and a substantial share of hospitalized children had no prior conditions. You're right that different countries handled school shots differently - mostly recommendations rather than mandates, but that’s not the same as “outlawing.”
Also, U.S. death certificates separate people who died from COVID from those who merely had a positive test. Cause-only COVID death was a top-10 cause of death for kids/teens during the Delta/Omicron era. It’s still happening too (~90 pediatric deaths with COVID as the underlying cause in the last year).
Also, U.S. death certificates separate people who died from COVID from those who merely had a positive test. Cause-only COVID death was a top-10 cause of death for kids/teens during the Delta/Omicron era. It’s still happening too (~90 pediatric deaths with COVID as the underlying cause in the last year).
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:49 am to TigerDoc
quote:
with COVID as the underlying cause
bullshite.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:52 am to texag7
Glad you asked. I think this more is probably good for Penrod too.
Quick note on how death certification works. When someone dies, the doctor or coroner has to list the underlying cause (the thing that actually set off the chain of events leading to death) and then any contributing conditions. If a kid dies of pneumonia triggered by covid, covid is listed as the underlying cause. If a kid dies in a car crash but happened to test positive, the crash is the cause and covid is just a side note. When researchers count deaths from covid, they use the underlying-cause line only. that’s how we know those pediatric deaths weren’t just “with” covid, they were deaths caused by it.
Quick note on how death certification works. When someone dies, the doctor or coroner has to list the underlying cause (the thing that actually set off the chain of events leading to death) and then any contributing conditions. If a kid dies of pneumonia triggered by covid, covid is listed as the underlying cause. If a kid dies in a car crash but happened to test positive, the crash is the cause and covid is just a side note. When researchers count deaths from covid, they use the underlying-cause line only. that’s how we know those pediatric deaths weren’t just “with” covid, they were deaths caused by it.
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