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re: 'Rust' armorer Hannah Gutierrez found guilty of involuntary manslaughter
Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:09 pm to goatmilker
Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:09 pm to goatmilker
I would have rather Baldwin be charged first and hope he gets worse. He will get off, he has millions, she doesn’t.
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:10 pm to KosmoCramer
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He was not supposed to be pointing at anyone. There are special safety protocols to be used if a gun is going to be pointed at people.
Give me a link.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:11 pm to Brosef Stalin
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He's not an actor. He is the producer and responsible for everything that happens on set. Also he hired the inexperienced armorer.
Sue him, but not criminal.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:14 pm to cwill
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Sue him, but not criminal.
Grand Jury decided otherwise
Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:36 pm to cwill
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Give me a link.
Here you go.
LINK
A few things, SAG rules are that local laws supersede any guidelines. What this means is the fantasy that Baldwin does not have culpability because he’s an actor is BS propaganda from Baldwin’s publicity team.
New Mexico also has case law from a very similar case where it does not matter who loaded a gun, all the state has to prove for involuntary manslaughter is the gun was in Baldwin’s hand, it went off, and a death resulted.
The facts and law are not on his side, but, he will have excellent attorneys. A conviction is far from a sure thing because of this.
He’s already admitted to police that he knew it was a real gun, he knew pointing it at someone was dangerous, but, he did it anyway.
Two things killed Hutchins. The armorer not doing her job by ensuring the gun was loaded correctly, and Baldwin pointing the gun at her with his finger on the trigger.
If either of these things didn’t happen, no death would have occurred.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:52 pm to teke184
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I ask because the gun was supposedly locked in the safe which she had a key to yet they somehow acquired it without getting it from her.
Wasn’t she busy shooting live ammo right before the movie shoot?
Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:55 pm to idlewatcher
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Wasn’t she busy shooting live ammo right before the movie shoot?
That's never been stated on the record, and the prosecution in this case never brought it up.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:03 pm to KosmoCramer
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Alex Baldwin who proceeded to point the gun at someone (outside of protocol) and pulled the trigger (wasn't even a shooting scene).
This is telling
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:24 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
You have an adult involved that didn’t check the gun he was holding before he aimed it at his colleagues and fired it as a joke.
That guy needs to be charged as well.
That guy needs to be charged as well.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:32 pm to Scruffy
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They are of the mindset that Baldwin is “too stupid” and doesn’t understand firearms, therefore he shouldn’t face any repercussions.
Even though anyone that’s ever handled a gun responsibly has been told since the age of nine to always check the weapon to make sure it’s unloaded before you hand it to someone and after you take it from someone.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:36 pm to mmcgrath
quote:Why are you such a loser in life?
mmcgrath
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:46 pm to momentoftruth87
She was the cause. Gross negligence.
Baldwin will get his in civil court. Nothing I've heard suggest he knew of her shitty job performance or condoned it.
Baldwin will get his in civil court. Nothing I've heard suggest he knew of her shitty job performance or condoned it.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 10:08 pm to goatmilker
I thought Baldwin had already made a settlement with the family of the deceased.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 10:13 pm to 308
I think he shot more than her lol
Posted on 3/6/24 at 10:16 pm to themunch
Telling wrong. They were working on framing a shot with the gun in his hand. Dumb arse messed around with the trigger when it was not necessary for what they were doing.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 10:16 pm to goatmilker
I know there are people rampaging over Baldwin here, but the armorer is the bigger issue. The armorer is the check in place that allows the industry to make films and shows with "guns" in them. As such, the armorer HAS to go down.
I'm remembering a scene in, I think, Swordfish. Travolta (a bad guy) walks up to someone from behind (female cop or security guard), grabs her hair and presses his "gun" to her head and pulls the trigger. Bang she's dead for movie purposes.
He (Travolta) does this because he's scripted to; and you can all swear on the bible that he checked his prop first to ensure it wasn't a loaded gun (or even a blanks gun, which would have killed her too). I wasn't there, I didn't see what he did.
But I can pretty much guarantee this- if Baldwin goes down for pulling the trigger as an actor (NOT for being producer, which I think he will), then most actors will not touch a role requiring firearm props. Too much liability, nobody wants to go to prison because the prop manager fricked up. They don't want to kill anyone either, but that's a separate point.
Just pointing this out. There's a multi-billion dollar industry watching this play out.
I'm remembering a scene in, I think, Swordfish. Travolta (a bad guy) walks up to someone from behind (female cop or security guard), grabs her hair and presses his "gun" to her head and pulls the trigger. Bang she's dead for movie purposes.
He (Travolta) does this because he's scripted to; and you can all swear on the bible that he checked his prop first to ensure it wasn't a loaded gun (or even a blanks gun, which would have killed her too). I wasn't there, I didn't see what he did.
But I can pretty much guarantee this- if Baldwin goes down for pulling the trigger as an actor (NOT for being producer, which I think he will), then most actors will not touch a role requiring firearm props. Too much liability, nobody wants to go to prison because the prop manager fricked up. They don't want to kill anyone either, but that's a separate point.
Just pointing this out. There's a multi-billion dollar industry watching this play out.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 10:18 pm to Scruffy
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on a set where he knew they were firing off live rounds.
Why would you ever have live rounds on a set? That can all be done in post production.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 10:55 pm to Auburn80
quote:there's no justification for that at all.quote:
on a set where he knew they were firing off live rounds.
Why would you ever have live rounds on a set?
There's strict concrete rules in place, to the opposite- for the prevention of the very thing that happened. That's how you get away with having a real gun as a prop. You establish nobody can accidentally be shot, because you need real ammo to do so. Without that, it's just a hunk of steel, no more dangerous than a hammer.
All those war movies with guys tossing grenades, those are just metal balls. You can lob them towards a group of people safely. Imagine some dipshit prop manager somehow got some live ones, and you kill some extras in a foxhole... that's on the prop guy. You're not convicting the actor who threw it for manslaughter.
That's the argument in place here; the prop is a realistic representation of a lethal weapon, that is supposedly certified by trained professionals to be safe. That understanding is clear before the first day of production.
And THAT'S where Baldwin as producer failed, and is culpable. They failed utterly in providing a minimally safe workplace to film in. The first tenet of this is NO LIVE AMMO, a very simple rule, and it was ignored.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:01 pm to mmcgrath
Is there a single thing that you don't have the worst takes for?
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:08 pm to cwill
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He’s an actor and he’s handed a gun as a prop with blanks or dead bullets, in it, by a supposed “expert” and is told to use it and point it at people or camera and pull the trigger as part of the scene
You just made every bit of this shite up.
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