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re: SIAP - Bye, bye Dept of Ejumacation
Posted on 11/12/24 at 4:00 pm to TN Tygah
Posted on 11/12/24 at 4:00 pm to TN Tygah
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Can’t Trump do something about the Marxist ideology
Seems like that’s way more attainable
Yes. He could change the DOE cultural initiatives from Marxist to Free Enterprise for example.
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Posted on 11/12/24 at 4:01 pm to Indefatigable
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A House with a 6-10 seat majority can’t pass it, and the filibuster looms in the Senate.
Doesnt need it
Posted on 11/12/24 at 4:03 pm to FreddieMac
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Needs to go, that is an invention of the early 1900s. They do not even actually filibuster anymore, they do not stand there and take any time, they just say, does not have 60 votes, its dead. Nope, that is not how the founders intended it to work. It needs to go.
And the Dems thought getting rid of the filibuster for judicial nominees was a great idea too!
Posted on 11/12/24 at 4:03 pm to FreddieMac
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Needs to go, that is an invention of the early 1900s. They do not even actually filibuster anymore, they do not stand there and take any time, they just say, does not have 60 votes, its dead. Nope, that is not how the founders intended it to work. It needs to go.
The more I read about the filibuster the more I'm learning it's a tool designed to thwart the desires of the people from election to election. It's designed to protect the DC Uniparty from legislation that is in place protecting them and their friends.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 4:10 pm to PineyWoodsHog
A bunch of fat black women with "educator" license plates are about to be pissed.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 4:11 pm to PineyWoodsHog
Am I the only one who had to do a double take because their brain read the title as Department of Ejaculation?
Posted on 11/12/24 at 4:12 pm to GumboPot
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The more I read about the filibuster the more I'm learning it's a tool designed to thwart the desires of the people from election to election. It's designed to protect the DC Uniparty from legislation that is in place protecting them and their friends.
BINGO. We have a winner, that is exactly what the filibuster does. Also, it insulates both houses of congress from actually tackling hard problem and being put on record.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 4:15 pm to PineyWoodsHog
Bring on the constitutional crisis. All he has to do is retire everyone and then refuse to allow the Treasury to disburse funds as Congress allocated. He does have that authority and Congress is going to have a really hard time demonstrating the value of this department. He can make a strong argument that Congress' funding of Dept of Ed constitutes fraud and he's obligated to step in and prevent that.
Nothing in the Constitution obligates the President to spend what Congress allocates. He can refuse to spend and for many years it was a badge of honor for the Executive to not spend the full amount set aside by Congress.
Does he have the balls to make this happen or not? It's that simple.
Nothing in the Constitution obligates the President to spend what Congress allocates. He can refuse to spend and for many years it was a badge of honor for the Executive to not spend the full amount set aside by Congress.
Does he have the balls to make this happen or not? It's that simple.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 4:24 pm to PineyWoodsHog
I don't think yall realize how popular this is with teachers and admins. They spend all their time ensuring they're doing exactly what the feds require just to get the fed money. This is going to be very popular. It can't be completely disposed of since there's some college stuff involved, K-12 can still receive the federal funds without all the fed overreach
Posted on 11/12/24 at 4:34 pm to RobbBobb
You named a bunch of agencies that fall into two categories: (1) those that were created/formalized/renamed by Congress and (2) those that were created and dissolved by executive action. The former category is just name changes and formalization (including DOE, EPA, etc). The latter category is within executive authority.
Dept of Education was established by Congress and needs Congressional action to dissolve it.
Dept of Education was established by Congress and needs Congressional action to dissolve it.
This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 11/12/24 at 4:35 pm to Ebridg3
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Doesnt need it
For DOE, yes it does. It was created by Congress, not the executive.
Executive dissolution would be subject to Congressional approval.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 4:38 pm to Indefatigable
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Dept of Education was established by Congress and needs Congressional action to dissolve it.
Maybe you missed the two offices that started with Department of . . . . that had Cabinet level administrators, and yet were still abolished
Posted on 11/12/24 at 4:39 pm to RobbBobb
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that had Cabinet level administrators, and yet were still abolished
Name them.
Because the ones I see in your post were reorganized and renamed by Congress. Not functionally abolished by the executive.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 5:07 pm to Indefatigable
Department of Health Education Welfare no longer exists. The secretary at the time just shifted over to Health and Human Services without so much as a Senate hearing
Department of War no longer exists. Became the Dept of Army, which required a Senate confirmation at the time
Department of War no longer exists. Became the Dept of Army, which required a Senate confirmation at the time
Posted on 11/12/24 at 5:10 pm to RobbBobb
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Department of Health Education Welfare no longer exists. The secretary at the time just shifted over to Health and Human Services without so much as a Senate hearing
CONGRESS split it into DOE and the Dept of Health and Human Services.
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Department of War no longer exists. Became the Dept of Army, which required a Senate confirmation at the time
Did so via CONGRESS, and ultimately became DOD via CONGRESS
I don’t disagree that Dept of Ed is awful and should be abolished. But you’re just wrong if you think it doesn’t require Congress to eliminate it. What Congress creates, only Congress can destroy.
This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 11/12/24 at 5:23 pm to Indefatigable
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The DOE was created by Congress in 1980
While this is true, the first department of education was actually created in 1867, but was demoted to an Office of education in 1868 based on fears of too much overreach.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 5:25 pm to Furious
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While this is true, the first department of education was actually created in 1867, but was demoted to an Office of education in 1868 based on fears of too much overreach.
While a neat bit of trivia, it’s not relevant to the current conversation.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 5:25 pm to AllbyMyRelf
Posted on 11/12/24 at 5:43 pm to Furious
Thanks. From the link you provided, it looks like he will need authorization from Congress for major reorganizations.
Ultimately, the whole arrangement doesn’t make sense. These people are in the executive branch but don’t serve at the pleasure of the President (notwithstanding the cases on major vs minor officers)?
Congress is not allowed to delegate its authority to legislate, but has in reality done just that by setting up the administrative state? Could Congress get rid of an agency without the president’s consent?
Case law on the administrative state is all over the place. I was optimistic that the court would bring back nondelegation doctrine last term, but they disappointed by creating some new standard of “major questions”.
We need more Justice Thomas’s.
Ultimately, the whole arrangement doesn’t make sense. These people are in the executive branch but don’t serve at the pleasure of the President (notwithstanding the cases on major vs minor officers)?
Congress is not allowed to delegate its authority to legislate, but has in reality done just that by setting up the administrative state? Could Congress get rid of an agency without the president’s consent?
Case law on the administrative state is all over the place. I was optimistic that the court would bring back nondelegation doctrine last term, but they disappointed by creating some new standard of “major questions”.
We need more Justice Thomas’s.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 5:48 pm to AllbyMyRelf
quote:I can, if Wiki is okay with you.
Can you provide a citation for this quote?
Presidential Reorganization Authority
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