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re: So we now know where dogs came from:
Posted on 12/28/25 at 9:27 pm to Azkiger
Posted on 12/28/25 at 9:27 pm to Azkiger
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Bible traces Jesus's lineage back to Adam, who begot who and ages
I had to check that one because I thought it was Joseph to Adam, not Jesus to Adam. Because in Luke chapter 1 it’s made abundantly clear that Jesus is not Joseph’s child, but Mary conceived without Joseph only with the Holy Spirit impregnating her.
I checked the earlier version of Luke (Marcion’s Evangelion) who I remember didn’t include chapters 1 and 2 of Luke but it also doesn’t include the chapter 3 genealogy.
So that means some scribe inserted the genealogy piece in chapter 3 and most likely a different scribe inserted chapters 1 and 2 that contradicted that chapter 3 material. Jesus can’t be both a biological son of Joseph and conceived of a virgin. What do you think is going on there?
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Posted on 12/28/25 at 9:28 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Not sure, but there seem to have been several massive floods during and before human
I was giving you the correct answer in jeopardy format. I wasn’t expecting a response.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 9:34 pm to GRTiger
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Every society has a flood story.
Not every, but many do.
The oldest flood myths come from the very first major civilizations in Egypt, Mesopotamia, India, and China. Those peoples were some of the first to settle down, domesticated animals, begin farming (to make beer), and develop writing systems.
Not coincidentally, those first civilizations who pioneered writing and preservation of myths and stories were located adjacent to major rivers who sometimes overflowed their banks. The Nile, the Tigris and Euphrates, etc.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 10:11 pm to Squirrelmeister
OK, if that's my fate, according to you, why shouldn't I go all Charles Manson?
Posted on 12/28/25 at 10:58 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:My friend has a GSP (German Shorthair Pointer).
My GSD was the most amazing companion Ive ever had.
What is a GSD?
Posted on 12/28/25 at 11:01 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:What utter nonsense.
Darwinism is founded on phenotypic observation, whereas actual evolution is genetically based.
Some of his earliest work related to the two-dozen finch species in the Galapagos Islands, which bore no resemblance to one another.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 1:49 am to Squirrelmeister
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What do you think is going on there?
The two main theories I know of are the following:
The Mary Theory: This suggests Matthew records Joseph’s line (the royal line), while Luke records Mary’s line (the biological line), using Joseph’s name as a legal placeholder for the family unit.
The Legal Theory:
Matthew (The Royal/Legal Line): He traces the line of succession to the throne. He follows the "King" line (through Solomon) to prove Jesus is the legal heir to King David. It is the lineage of Joseph’s legal rights.
Luke (The Biological/Universal Line): He traces the physical bloodline. He follows a different branch of David’s family (through Nathan). By going all the way back to Adam, he shows Jesus is a biological human related to all of humanity, not just the Jews.
I’m sure there are other theories as well.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 2:37 am to NC_Tigah
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In other words, at least as accurate as science of consensus regarding AGW/climate change, or CV19 as a natural zoonosis
Sure, do you feel better now?
Posted on 12/29/25 at 4:56 am to RelentlessAnalysis
quote:That would be phenotypic observation.
finch species in the Galapagos Islands, which bore no resemblance to one another.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 4:56 am to Azkiger
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there was a global flood like 5,000 years ago
Where did the water recede to?
Posted on 12/29/25 at 5:26 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Are the species generally cross-fertile?
That would be phenotypic observation.
No, they are not. tThey are distinct genotypes.
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genotype is an organism's specific genetic code (alleles), while phenotype is the observable traits (physical appearance, behavior) resulting from that code interacting with the environment.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 6:19 am to Squirrelmeister
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Well, the Younger Dryas event some 12,000 yrs ago, so that may the 'genesis' of the flood story.
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What is the Flood of Shuruppak along the Euphrates River in Sumerian (modern day Iraq)?
quote:Rather than flooding, Younger Dryas is associated with the Quaternary's most recent glacial moment. It did set stage for later Holocene glacial melt flooding catastrophes though, even as late as the 5th-6th millennium BC.
I was giving you the correct answer in jeopardy format. I wasn’t expecting a response.
The Shuruppak event was an unrelated Mesopotamian fluvial flood ~3000BC. Apparently it was extensive. It is thought by some to be a basis for Gilgamesh, and possibly other flood stories.
None of which satisfies Azkiger, who demands to be shown proof of a simultaneous global torrent up to Everest's peak, as justification for Gen 6-9.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 6:41 am to RelentlessAnalysis
quote:Either you misread the post you're responding to, or you don't understand it. Cross-fertility is unrelated.
That would be phenotypic observation.
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Are the species generally cross-fertile?
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No, they are not. tThey are distinct genotypes.
Aside from clones or maternal twins, every living thing is a distinct genotype
This post was edited on 12/29/25 at 6:49 am
Posted on 12/29/25 at 7:26 am to RelentlessAnalysis
GSD = German Shepherd Dog. Also known as the Alsatian.
Gods Special Dog.
Gods Special Dog.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 7:32 am to NC_Tigah
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The Shuruppak event was an unrelated Mesopotamian fluvial flood ~3000BC. Apparently it was extensive. It is thought by some to be a basis for Gilgamesh, and possibly other flood stories.
1. Eridu Genesis, survives flood: Ziusudra, source: Sumerian, basis: Flood of Shuruppak
2. Epic of Atrahasis, survives flood: Atrahasis, source: Akkadian, basis: Eridu Genesis
3. Epic of Gilgamesh, survives flood: Utnapishtim, source: Babylonian, basis: one or both earlier flood myths
4. Biblical Flood Myths, survives flood: Noah, sources: priestly “P” and Yahwist “J”
Note the biblical flood myths parallel the Atrahasis epic the strongest but do contain elements from the Gilgamesh and Eridu epics (or possibly other similar works we haven’t found or that were not preserved).
Secular scholars are confident that our Genesis was written in the Persian period but of course it incorporated bits and pieces of much older material. So before the Persian period, the Jewish aristocracy and scribes would have been studying all the flood myths in Babylonian libraries. Archaeologists actually found a fragment of a copy of the epic of Gilgamesh written in cuneiform dated to the early Iron Age in what is now Israel. In Qumran, Dead Sea scrolls archaeologists found a Jewish scroll now called the Book of Giants, and you can get an English copy now on Amazon. It expands on Genesis 6 and 1 Enoch and was written in Aramaic. One of the giants’ name was none other than Gilgamesh.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 8:28 am to Padme
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It’s amazing how stupid people get just to justify not believing in God
And these same people look in the mirror every morning.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 8:40 am to blueboy
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It seems reasonable
Even Darwin understood and argued that evolution doesn’t work like that.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 8:56 am to NC_Tigah
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actual evolution is genetically based.
And it's also my understanding that adding the DNA piece of the puzzle was the final nail in the coffin.
When I started looking into Darwinism I was shocked at how much the general public has been gaslit to believe that it is settled science.
It's actually a religious dogma without any real proof. The fossil record doesn't support it and neither does what we know about DNA.
People somehow forget that it is 19th century science. And what we've learned since then simply doesn't bear it out.
Microevolution? Yes. We can observe that. But there is no good evidence for macro evolution, species evolving into other, distinct species.
And then you have the question of how the first life began (which Darwin didn't even attempt to explain). The Miller Uray experiment is even more of a gaslight than Darwinism.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 9:02 am to wackatimesthree
From the article:
It's just 4 words but it says an awful lot. I doubt the phrase "rival cliques of gravity believers" would make much sense.
The public misperception part has been true for decades.
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rival cliques of evolutionists
It's just 4 words but it says an awful lot. I doubt the phrase "rival cliques of gravity believers" would make much sense.
The public misperception part has been true for decades.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 9:14 am to SeeeeK
quote:I can't even try to use those words with that video. I saw only one clear short cut, and I could be wrong about that.
i find it lazy, laughable, and embarrassing,
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