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re: Standardized testing in schools
Posted on 4/17/26 at 12:52 pm to deeprig9
Posted on 4/17/26 at 12:52 pm to deeprig9
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Age test. To see how your kid, and your classroom, and your school, and your district are measuring up compared to each other, and across the state, and across the country.
Which the ACT is perfect for. It is already used for that exact purpose.
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Posted on 4/17/26 at 12:53 pm to 03 West CoChamps
For a 3rd grader?
Posted on 4/17/26 at 12:54 pm to 03 West CoChamps
Standardized tests let you know who is too uneducated for college….
Posted on 4/17/26 at 12:54 pm to prouddawg
There is nothing inherently wrong with standardized testing.
It is a useful tool to measure understanding and performance broadly across different regions and schools.
Grade inflation is real.
It can certainly be misapplied, though.
It is a useful tool to measure understanding and performance broadly across different regions and schools.
Grade inflation is real.
It can certainly be misapplied, though.
This post was edited on 4/17/26 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 4/17/26 at 12:56 pm to 03 West CoChamps
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How is life over 40?
Everything changed with NCLB.
I have no idea what NCLB is.Posted on 4/17/26 at 12:57 pm to deeprig9
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For a 3rd grader?
I thought you were the other guy.
No I'm all for the MS 3 grade reading gate where you must have a base reading level to move on the 4th grade regardless of anything else. My issue is with high school age standardized test.
Posted on 4/17/26 at 12:57 pm to Zach
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I have no idea what NCLB is.
No Child Left Behind
Posted on 4/17/26 at 12:58 pm to 03 West CoChamps
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Why not just use the ACT? Set a required score to graduate. Why do we need standardized test before that?
To track performance and progress periodically and not just at the finish line
Posted on 4/17/26 at 12:59 pm to 03 West CoChamps
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Everything changed with NCLB.
Oh, NCLB is why my kids get QR codes to watch videos on instructional material on YouTube, while they're in the classroom?
Universal Chromebooks from COVID has ruined teaching in multiple school districts in Texas.
Posted on 4/17/26 at 1:00 pm to prouddawg
These conversations are only had by people that have no clue about what is going on with AI.
And standardized testing is a scam. It's all about money.
And standardized testing is a scam. It's all about money.
Posted on 4/17/26 at 1:00 pm to joechristoppher77
Okay. In Arkansas it’s just math science writing and English that is tested. I’m sure your son is really smart. Doesn’t mean the curriculum isn’t still fricked. Also, private schools don’t have state testing and they still produce some of the best minds in the country
Posted on 4/17/26 at 1:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Standardized Test create a whole school year pointed towards teaching to the test. It is one of the thousands of things in education that sound good in theory but don't work in practicality.
30 years in a public school classroom and this is the biggest issue. Test scores have become the be-all end-all of public education and it shouldn’t be that way.
They would be more effective in monitoring learning if the students were actually held accountable for their own scores in some way. Many years ago in Louisiana it was determined that “high stakes” testing was too stressful and created too much anxiety for these babies, so they can basically blow the tests off with no repercussions. How can it be an effective tool to measure learning when the only ones accountable for student progress are the teachers?
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To scrap it? No
To criticize it? Somewhat. There are biases and the tests can always be improved.
Piss off, Sir Know-It-All. You’re out of your lane. I know that’s never bothered you before, just a little heads up.
Posted on 4/17/26 at 1:02 pm to prouddawg
Well I can see the argument for fixing it. My wife works in an elementary school. They are constantly testing. Dibbles, Benchmark, leap. They take up over 50% of the school year to conduct the tests and as a result teachers are teaching to the test not what these kids have learning
Posted on 4/17/26 at 1:05 pm to lsu777
quote:this is what is happening though. Especially at poor under performing schools. And the kids suffer Because what they really need is to be put on a vocational path and have a personal finance class.
teaching only the material on the test and only the formulas to help bring up the overall test scores for the school is....not so good
Posted on 4/17/26 at 1:06 pm to prouddawg
I don't like the tests for a variety of reasons. One being that I believe it promotes a sort of authoritarianism. The way the students are taught to pass the test inevitably leads to this "appeal to authority" as opposed to being taught tools that help a student navigate issues. Students are being taught to pass a test and the only explanation needed for a given answer is that the teacher or textbook said it is true.
Not that there was some golden age of teaching before tests, but I have noticed this "appeal to authority" group coming up over the last 20-25 years and there is a clear difference in how people educated before the infatuation with testing began vs. relatively recent groups.
Not that there was some golden age of teaching before tests, but I have noticed this "appeal to authority" group coming up over the last 20-25 years and there is a clear difference in how people educated before the infatuation with testing began vs. relatively recent groups.
Posted on 4/17/26 at 1:07 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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under performing parents
FIFY. It's not hard to get good grades at a Title I school, but you have to actually show up, and have a parent that glances at your homework every once in a while.
Posted on 4/17/26 at 1:09 pm to High C
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Piss off, Sir Know-It-All. You’re out of your lane.
Your comment to me saying "there are biases and the tests can always be improved" is that random melt?
And I know quite a bit about this topic for a variety of reasons. I love standardized tests. They are the best way we have to separate the quality of students.
Posted on 4/17/26 at 1:10 pm to prouddawg
in the end....its not going to matter much because within 5 years many places will start implementing more and more AI to teach similar to the alpha school program....many will say hell no but this is why
1) everyone learns at their own pace, no more being held back by the lowest common denominator in the class and class disruptors.
2) the system learns how you learn and learns to teach you using the things you like. For example...lets say an inner city kid likes basketball, its his whole life...it will adjust over time by learning the kid and start teaching him math using basketball as the examples or football or whatever. Will also adjust to teach based on your preference in terms of visual learner, audible learner, hands on etc. Some kids learn through hands on things and it implements that.
3) its is 2 hours base classes with no bullshite. it then can add up to an hour to catch you up. It is constantly testing you, seeing where you are weak and adding extra time to bring you up to speed. So if a kid is in 9th grade, he does math on an 11th grade level but reads at a 5th grade level...it automatically adjust to continue to push you in math while adding extra time to bring you up to speed in the weak areas
4) because it is only 2-3 hours with out all the BS...it allows them to focus on short burst of time and then pursue the things they are passionate about the rest of the day. learn life skills, practice sports more, music, theatre etc
5) teachers are happier because the kids are happier, you need way less teachers as they are just monitors of the class rooms essentially.
the thing with me though is how good they are doing on standardized testing
and the teachers unions will fight this with every fiber of their being but its going to happen.
1) everyone learns at their own pace, no more being held back by the lowest common denominator in the class and class disruptors.
2) the system learns how you learn and learns to teach you using the things you like. For example...lets say an inner city kid likes basketball, its his whole life...it will adjust over time by learning the kid and start teaching him math using basketball as the examples or football or whatever. Will also adjust to teach based on your preference in terms of visual learner, audible learner, hands on etc. Some kids learn through hands on things and it implements that.
3) its is 2 hours base classes with no bullshite. it then can add up to an hour to catch you up. It is constantly testing you, seeing where you are weak and adding extra time to bring you up to speed. So if a kid is in 9th grade, he does math on an 11th grade level but reads at a 5th grade level...it automatically adjust to continue to push you in math while adding extra time to bring you up to speed in the weak areas
4) because it is only 2-3 hours with out all the BS...it allows them to focus on short burst of time and then pursue the things they are passionate about the rest of the day. learn life skills, practice sports more, music, theatre etc
5) teachers are happier because the kids are happier, you need way less teachers as they are just monitors of the class rooms essentially.
the thing with me though is how good they are doing on standardized testing
and the teachers unions will fight this with every fiber of their being but its going to happen.
Posted on 4/17/26 at 1:11 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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this is what is happening though. Especially at poor under performing schools. And the kids suffer Because what they really need is to be put on a vocational path and have a personal finance class.
100%
Posted on 4/17/26 at 1:14 pm to lsu777
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so standardized testing is good
but
teaching only the material on the test and only the formulas to help bring up the overall test scores for the school is....not so good
The issue is the judgment portion.
The more subjective you make them, the less standardized they are, which defeats the purpose. But with subjectivity comes complexity, which would thwart the teaching the test issues.
There are various ways we can develop tests with objective answers that require more subtle complexity, though. You need to follow IQ test modeling and things like patterns, associations, etc. that create much larger datasets to draw from which make teaching the test more difficult. It also gives you more ways to have the kids explain the process instead of the result. Having kids explain the process is the ideal. How to get there with objective measurement/scoring is hard.
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