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re: Stupid so called centrists are why everything sucks
Posted on 2/19/26 at 8:16 am to High Life
Posted on 2/19/26 at 8:16 am to High Life
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Why would you take junk food off of snap? Junk food is cheap and high calorie?
"Why dont you want a bunch of unhealthy diabetic fat asses on disability?"
That is a dumb fricking question to ask.
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Posted on 2/19/26 at 8:17 am to High Life
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Wow your family member has the ability to think for himself unlike yourself.
This is clearly false.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 8:20 am to burger bearcat
Sound like they're pretty fricked up.......and he/she can't see the irony.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 8:21 am to burger bearcat
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Dealing with a family member who thought the illegal alien issue was way out of control under Biden. But also simultaneously thinks ICE is bad and Trump is being too harsh. He says it’s too much trouble to deport once they are in, he also says the border wall is bad and useless (somehow holds both of these thoughts, I said if it’s useless then why is it bad?)
The below is what being tough on the borders vs loose on the borders and illegal entry does. 17-20 and 25 is Trump's policies. 21-24 is Biden's policies.
Homicides by undocumented aliens in Trump's 5 years:34. Biden's 4 years: 180. Drug trafficking in Trump's 5 years: 3,934. Biden's 4 years: 7,998. Sexual assaults, trafficking, and rape in Trump's 5 years: 558. Biden's 4 years: 1,358. Gun trafficking in Trump's 5 years: 538. Biden's 4 years: 1,184. The immigration system needs fixed, no argument there. The issue is we can't fix the line without shutting off the water. Individual cases absolutely pull at heart strings, but the full facts are why it has to be done.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 8:22 am to burger bearcat
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he also says the border wall is bad and useless
Yet we have doors and locks on our homes and businesses that can just as easily be labeled as "useless".
If there is no border wall then there should be no gated communities, security fences nor metal detectors. Just trust that everyone will be civil.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 8:26 am to Nado Jenkins83
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We all are a slave to 2 party. At this point to get stuff done you have to accept the extreme ends of each party. Like it or not but it is true.
What an empty statement. Call you out for being a broken record and you pull out the high school history teacher line
The problem is we have people who would rather defend a diddy boppin politician and chastise their own kin. We are all fricking brain washed and can’t trust a single thing we see. The smartest richest man on the planet thinks we might be in a simulation. Yet the chads on here act like they KNOW everything because their fragile egos would fall apart if they admit doubt about anything
Posted on 2/19/26 at 8:53 am to djsdawg
So we should corrupt our own beliefs and the constitution because the libs would probably do it to us anyway.
I’ve never believed in more government. ICE is federal. They have no history or standing in this country. They doubled their entire force in 4 months and hit the streets decked out ready for deployment. How are they trained? How long are they trained for? Are they instilled with core values? Are there any requirements or standards that have to be met to serve? Or are they a ragtag group of wannabe military?
Why are they trusted to operate as a military force but marines and soldiers who swore on the constitution and trained for years can’t operate on US soil. The federal government should be the last ones involved with policing anything domestically. They always prove to frick everything up just like they’re doing now. Not necessarily because they are corrupt or bad but because they are incompetent. Politicians don’t want to get things done in office because they thrive on division. They love when the window lickers are fighting battles for them
I’ve never believed in more government. ICE is federal. They have no history or standing in this country. They doubled their entire force in 4 months and hit the streets decked out ready for deployment. How are they trained? How long are they trained for? Are they instilled with core values? Are there any requirements or standards that have to be met to serve? Or are they a ragtag group of wannabe military?
Why are they trusted to operate as a military force but marines and soldiers who swore on the constitution and trained for years can’t operate on US soil. The federal government should be the last ones involved with policing anything domestically. They always prove to frick everything up just like they’re doing now. Not necessarily because they are corrupt or bad but because they are incompetent. Politicians don’t want to get things done in office because they thrive on division. They love when the window lickers are fighting battles for them
This post was edited on 2/19/26 at 8:54 am
Posted on 2/19/26 at 9:03 am to High Life
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So we should corrupt our own beliefs and the constitution because the libs would probably do it to us anyway.
This is about survival. One side vs the other side. Win or lose. The winner will be the one who ultimately does it, while the loser wipes their tears and blood, maybe with the Constitution.
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I’ve never believed in more government. ICE is federal. They have no history or standing in this country. They doubled their entire force in 4 months and hit the streets decked out ready for deployment. How are they trained? How long are they trained for
Fair questions, but ultimately irrelevant.
Focus on WHY this was needed, and you will see one side is extremely corrupt and absolutely doesn't give a frick about Americans. A clean-up is often messy.
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The federal government should be the last ones involved with policing anything domestically.
It makes sense for the feds to be involved in immigration enforcement and border patrol. To argue otherwise is retarded........... unless you can come up with some amazing point you have yet to make.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 9:15 am to djsdawg
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This is about survival. One side vs the other side. Win or lose. The winner will be the one who ultimately does it, while the loser wipes their tears and blood, maybe with the Constitution.
Ok what you’re describing is civil war. I mean I’m down but just say that’s what you want.
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It makes sense for the feds to be involved in immigration enforcement and border patrol. To argue otherwise is retarded........... unless you can come up with some amazing point you have yet to make.
Yea but at what capacity? ICE isn’t at the border. They are operating in an open presence. Getting intertwined with protesters? How is that even possible? It just shows how incompetent they are. If you’re going to operate as a military and go after “domestic terror” because that’s the justification, you need a force and leadership that knows what they’re doing. ICE isn’t that. You try to make peace with the local state, you use the law to force the local government to abide by the CONSTITUTION. We have a fricking court system for a reason. And if you have to use ice you operate tactically and undercover. Not make a big fricking show on TV
This post was edited on 2/19/26 at 9:17 am
Posted on 2/19/26 at 9:25 am to djsdawg
Not in favor of snap just realistically if you have it the cheap “junk” food is closer to rations than giving them fresh meat and produce.
Now maybe you could argue only give them rice and beans. But taking away their soda and chips would actually cost us more
Now maybe you could argue only give them rice and beans. But taking away their soda and chips would actually cost us more
Posted on 2/19/26 at 9:27 am to Great Plains Drifter
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This thing will play out to its conclusion, for better or worse.
There’s no going back at this point
It's going to be for the worse. And this is the GOP's last dying gasp. 70% of the country dislikes the party and its policies.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 9:38 am to High Life
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ICE is federal. They have no history or standing in this country.
Wait, what? ICE was created by combining two agencies that had existed since the early 1930s. How can you say they have no history or standing in this country? Are you that willfully ignorant?
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How are they trained? How long are they trained for? Are they instilled with core values? Are there any requirements or standards that have to be met to serve?
More willfully ignorant questions. ICE, as a federal LEA must undergo the same qualifications and training as all other federal LEAs.
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Or are they a ragtag group of wannabe military?
Needless question specifically worded to demean and dehumanize others, specifically members of ICE....be better.
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Why are they trusted to operate as a military force but marines and soldiers who swore on the constitution and trained for years can’t operate on US soil. The federal government should be the last ones involved with policing anything domestically. They always prove to frick everything up just like they’re doing now. Not necessarily because they are corrupt or bad but because they are incompetent. Politicians don’t want to get things done in office because they thrive on division. They love when the window lickers are fighting battles for them
This is just a hodgepodge of jumbled thoughts with not much coherent linkage. Would love to address, but would take too long to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 9:41 am to burger bearcat
Not sure that is centrist. Just sounds stupid
Posted on 2/19/26 at 9:45 am to Great Plains Drifter
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Concerned moderates have zero pull or influence in today’s hyper partisan political environment.
They’re the ones who sway elections, unfortunately.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 9:51 am to djsdawg
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They are going to do this with or without precedent if they get the power back, and "both sides are bad" people / Libertarians will help them do it.
100% correct.
Forget the centrists. We have millions upon millions of patriots on the right who fail to do their duty and vote because they think it is pointless.
Many of these people voted for Trump I’m 2024 and will sit out midterms because once again they think what’s the point with our traitorous republican Congress members.
If Trump does what he says and starts arresting the crooks on both sides of the aisle and sweeps up millions of illegals and cracks down on legal aliens watch how fast we sweep the midterms.
People want accountability above all else.
Add in fixing elections and the right will dominate like never before
This post was edited on 2/19/26 at 9:52 am
Posted on 2/19/26 at 9:55 am to High Life
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Now maybe you could argue only give them rice and beans. But taking away their soda and chips would actually cost us more
Considering that if one is on SNAP, then one is also on federally supplied medical, the above statement then becomes very false and very shortsighted.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 9:57 am to burger bearcat
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He also talks about how bad the food supply and how much poison is in our food. And then when I talk about taking junk food off of SNAP,
How would this improve the food supply?
Posted on 2/19/26 at 9:58 am to BottomlandBrew
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One must be able to understand all sides of an argument.
In order to do what?
Come to a conclusion? The OP's family member is just being stupid.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 9:59 am to burger bearcat
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He also says things like “it’s both sides”, and that if a candidate simply runs as a “moderate” that actually makes them a moderate.
This one slays me.
There's a guy running to primary challenge my State House Rep. He says he's a "moderate independent".
His platform is "Protecting Democracy, keeping the Bible in Sunday School and out of public schools, supporting the crude industry but advancing an agenda towards cleaner energy, stopping the rise of fascism in the US, and protecting the rights of women and the LGBTQPXYZ+ community. " That's not the platform of a "moderate independent".
He's a straight-up Marxist Dim masquerading as a moderate. And as much as I love my fellow Okies, I don't trust them to see through his lies. The one thing that will definitely hurt him here though, is his direct attack on the Bible. Whoever helped him put together his campaign fliers had a pretty big gaffe on that one, considering this is the beating red heart of the conservative Bible Belt. Should have altogether avoided religion in the campaign.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 10:00 am to High Life
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Why are they trusted to operate as a military force
They aren’t. Your premise of "ICE = military" is dumb. You're being dramatic which means you shouldn't be taken seriously.
Just admit you don't want illegals removed. Most of us here have seen this country damaged too much to care about your emotional arguments.
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