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re: The Methodist church is some woke
Posted on 6/29/20 at 1:08 pm to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 6/29/20 at 1:08 pm to tiggerthetooth
I grew up Presbyterian, when I was younger I was blind to what was preached, as I got older I noticed the leftist inclination of its doctrine. When I was at LSU the Presbyterian USA voted to allow gay marriage, my church voted to not allow it but our congregation still lost about half of its members. Im not presbyterian anymore and I honestly am hard pressed to find a doctrine that fits my beliefs so I havent been to church in 3 years.
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Posted on 6/29/20 at 1:09 pm to tiggerthetooth
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With that being said, why are gay people seeking out churches to get married? What purpose does the ceremony serve for people who dont believe?
There are gay people who are Christians, and there's nothing wrong with that. But when the Christian Church essentially not only condones but memorializes what scripture says is a sin, that I do have a problem with. We're all sinners, but that doesn't also mean the church should be glorifying our sins through ceremony.
But as a matter of law, I do believe gays should be able to marry given, in the legal context, a marriage is simply a contract between two consenting adults. And given we have separation of church and state, the Christian church's definition of marriage is wholly irrelevant and should not be considered as a matter of law.
Which begs the question why on earth any Christian church would feel compelled in the least to cater to gay couples wanting to marry in their church. The government cannot infringe on their religious beliefs, so they're pandering just for the sake of pandering.
This post was edited on 6/29/20 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 6/29/20 at 1:10 pm to tiggerthetooth
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where we will take a deep dive into the true (and sometimes suppressed!) history of our nation and church.
So the church is telling me they have been lying to me my whole life?
Time to break, I think.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 1:11 pm to The Maj
I’d encourage any and all of you to watch it just to see where things are likely heading. But it is frustrating as hell. I basically hate watched it and forced myself to see it through to the end. Now I can approach the leadership and take the fight to them for sanctioning this event.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 1:11 pm to tiggerthetooth
Taggart: What do you want me to do, sir?
Hedley Lamarr: I want you to round up every vicious criminal and gun slinger in the West. Take this down.
[Taggart looks for a pen and paper while Hedley talks]
Hedley Lamarr: I want rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, arse-kickers, shite-kickers, and Methodists! [Laughs hysterically and sinisterly]
Taggart: [finally finding a pen and paper] Could you repeat that, sir?
Hedley Lamarr: [Groan!]
Hedley Lamarr: I want you to round up every vicious criminal and gun slinger in the West. Take this down.
[Taggart looks for a pen and paper while Hedley talks]
Hedley Lamarr: I want rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, arse-kickers, shite-kickers, and Methodists! [Laughs hysterically and sinisterly]
Taggart: [finally finding a pen and paper] Could you repeat that, sir?
Hedley Lamarr: [Groan!]
Posted on 6/29/20 at 1:11 pm to The Maj
These beaver cleavers are behind so much it’s amazing.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 1:14 pm to tiggerthetooth
Our pastor had an excellent comment on American churches in general this week.
“Are churches being impacted by the culture, or are we impacting the culture?”
Sadly it is the former and by a wide margin. It needs to change on the individual level before it will change at the church level though. I’m just as guilty and anyone.
Psalm 1: Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or stand in the way of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers. But his delight is in the law of the LORD, and on his law he meditates day and night.
“Are churches being impacted by the culture, or are we impacting the culture?”
Sadly it is the former and by a wide margin. It needs to change on the individual level before it will change at the church level though. I’m just as guilty and anyone.
Psalm 1: Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or stand in the way of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers. But his delight is in the law of the LORD, and on his law he meditates day and night.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 1:15 pm to tiggerthetooth
PCA is about the past bastion of conservatism.
Not to be confused with PCUSA which is the opposite.
Not to be confused with PCUSA which is the opposite.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 1:19 pm to lsufball19
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But as a matter of law, I do believe gays should be able to marry given, in the legal context, a marriage is simply a contract between two consenting adults. And given we have separation of church and state, the Christian church's definition of marriage is wholly irrelevant and should not be considered as a matter of law.
Yeah but marriage is a biblical term that is specifically addressed and defined. I have a problem with government trying to 'redefine' biblical principles. And you see this all started with "civil unions" and cries of "on no, we don't want to call it marriage, just let us gay people have our civil unions and we'll be happy". But it's never enough and look how far they have progressed in a very short amount of time.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 1:22 pm to tiggerthetooth
My wife and I both grew up in the Methodist church, all of the FUMC churches in our area are liberal. We made the decision last year to leave the FUMC and joined a conservative Presbyterian Church.
I got tired of the pastors preaching that I should agree that homosexuality was not a sin. I have nothing against the LBGT community, get married if you want to get married, I don’t care, just don’t tell me I am a bigot for not agreeing with it.
I got tired of the pastors preaching that I should agree that homosexuality was not a sin. I have nothing against the LBGT community, get married if you want to get married, I don’t care, just don’t tell me I am a bigot for not agreeing with it.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 1:24 pm to GoldenSombrero
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Yeah but marriage is a biblical term that is specifically addressed and defined
While true, and while it's also true most of our laws were based much in part in Christian principles, we still shouldn't be making and interpreting laws/rights based on what the Bible says. If gays want to marry each other and enter into the legal contract straight couples do, fine. The divorce rate for gay couple is through the roof, so if they want to expose themselves to alimony and losing half of their assets, then by all means. But having a religious organization forced into recognizing something that is viewed as a sin in their religious doctrines, then no, I can't get on board with that and never will. But the beautiful thing about all of this is that I don't need a church or denomination of a church to define my relationship with God or what I have to believe or not believe. I only answer to God, no one else (except my wife
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Posted on 6/29/20 at 1:33 pm to Eli Goldfinger
We're at a PCA right now, and it's refreshing.
It's not overtly political in a L-R way, but it's orthodox and unafraid of the truth. I don't want political messaging, but I do want a church that doesn't get uncomfortable in talking about difficult topics (race, class, abortion). A specific statement this week was that Trump has unquestionably defended the dignity of the unborn in a way Christians should appreciate, while he's also unquestionably denigrated living children of God in a way that Christians shouldn't accept.
To me that's absolutely true, and not merely both-sides-ism for the sake of appeasing everyone.
It's not overtly political in a L-R way, but it's orthodox and unafraid of the truth. I don't want political messaging, but I do want a church that doesn't get uncomfortable in talking about difficult topics (race, class, abortion). A specific statement this week was that Trump has unquestionably defended the dignity of the unborn in a way Christians should appreciate, while he's also unquestionably denigrated living children of God in a way that Christians shouldn't accept.
To me that's absolutely true, and not merely both-sides-ism for the sake of appeasing everyone.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 1:33 pm to tiggerthetooth
The ones here in BR are all converting to SJW causes and big time LGBTQ. They are fine with abortion as well.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 1:36 pm to Pettifogger
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A specific statement this week was that Trump has unquestionably defended the dignity of the unborn in a way Christians should appreciate, while he's also unquestionably denigrated living children of God in a way that Christians shouldn't accept.
I would be livid if my church issued a statement regarding a particular politician. That’s a line that should never be crossed.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 1:40 pm to Eli Goldfinger
quote:Amen.
PCA is about the past bastion of conservatism.
Not to be confused with PCUSA which is the opposite.
I'd suggest everyone look into North American Presbyterian & Reformed Council (NAPARC) churches, of which the PCA is a part.
The Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church (ARPC)
The Canadian Reformed Churches (CanRC)
The Reformed Church of Quebec (ERQ)
The Free Reformed Churches of North America (FRCNA)
The Heritage Reformed Congregations (HRC)
The Korean American Presbyterian Church (KAPC)
The Korean Presbyterian Church in America (Kosin) (KPCA)
The Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC)
The Presbyterian Church in America (PCA)
The Presbyterian Reformed Church (PresRC)
The Reformed Church in the United States (RCUS)
The Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America (RPCNA)
The United Reformed Churches in North America (URCNA)
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Posted on 6/29/20 at 1:46 pm to Turbeauxdog
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I would be livid if my church issued a statement regarding a particular politician. That’s a line that should never be crossed.
What line is that?
And it's a mixed church politically. I'm guessing it's to the left of many PCA congregations. Plenty of people in positions of leadership are likely politically to the left of the senior pastor (who made that statement). And they will say things that somewhat indicate that (though not overtly).
And there are weekly forums to ask questions about statements made and have clergy/laymen weigh in on them and supplement/clarify them.
It's all very remarkable to me, but I like it. There is a lot of accountability to explain the basis for such things theologically, as well as the role in the church in talking about them/influencing them.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 1:52 pm to lsufball19
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The government cannot infringe on their religious beliefs, so they're pandering just for the sake of pandering.
The congregation is weak and wants acceptance from the world, even though the church was set apart from the world...
I really do not care what government recognizes as "marriage", it is from a governmental perspective but from a biblical perspective there is no doubt as to where any Christian denomination should stand on the matter...
Posted on 6/29/20 at 1:56 pm to Pettifogger
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What line is that?
I was pretty direct. Mentioning a specific politician.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 1:57 pm to Turbeauxdog
I assumed there was something more to it. But ok.
We also pray for our elected officials by name - guessing that's alright in your book?
We also pray for our elected officials by name - guessing that's alright in your book?
Posted on 6/29/20 at 2:04 pm to Pettifogger
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We also pray for our elected officials by name - guessing that's alright in your book?
Of course.
Are you equating praying for with issuing a statement taking a position on a politician?
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