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re: The Venezuelan adventure was also a clear message to China
Posted on 1/6/26 at 8:43 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/6/26 at 8:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well from the real time analysis, the justifications seem to be as weak as Iraq/Vietnam
Explain this to the class, please.
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Posted on 1/6/26 at 9:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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But it's a better comparison to the reality on the ground. And Venezuela is just starting. There was an initial surge of support in Iraq, and the southern Vietnamese supported us there.
Maybe it’s me. I don’t see what you’re saying here addresses what I said.
Or refutes what I said.
Posted on 1/6/26 at 9:20 am to Geekboy
That dude is smarter than all the stupid protesting libs... 
Posted on 1/6/26 at 9:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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Based on this rhetoric they can take over Taiwan. That is the issue.
You really don't think what China can or can't do (or more precisely what they might choose to try and do or not do) has anything to do with "this rhetoric" do you? It has no bearing on it whatsoever.
Posted on 1/6/26 at 10:15 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:We do not have domain over Venezuela that is why. We are simply arresting their unchecked influence in the western hemisphere. It cannot be more simple than that.
If the US is promoting multiple hegemons and regional dominance, why does China not now have domain over Taiwan?
If they want to do anything in Taiwan further than the current state of affairs then they are welcome to try. Let’s see how that works out for them.
Posted on 1/6/26 at 10:25 am to Geekboy
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The message being this….you invade Taiwan, you’re gonna get curb stomped. And now they know it.
That's why i laughed when there was a brigade on the board saying "tHiS VeNeZuELa tHiNg iS a GrEeNLigHt fOr cHiNi tO iNvAdE tAiWaN1!1!1"
No. It was, in fact, the ultimate deterrent. The whole of our anti-American rivalry of the world cheered in unison when Maduro very publicly said "Come and get me, Trump, you coward. I'll be right here!" So we went and snatched him right out of the hands of his personal army in the most secure building in Venezuela in less than an hour, in-out-gone.
Whether you agree that it was right to do so is irrelevant in this context. The point is that Trump and Hegseth dragged massive sack right across the faces of our geopolitical adversaries and showed the world that the USA can and will "get you" no matter who you are or where you are. Turning Bin Laden's head into a canoe all those years ago, apparently didn't have the long term effect that we hoped for. So, I'd say a refresher was warranted and Maduro was the perfect opportunity.
Posted on 1/6/26 at 11:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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Domino Theory was kind of bunk
How do you know?
We didn't allow the dominoes to fall, so how do you know?
Yes, we ultimately lost Vietnam, but we tied up the Soviets and prevented them from enacting their strategy no telling how many other places.
Remember, we ultimately won because we bankrupted them. Not because we won all of the proxy wars. Vietnam helped us do that. So did Korea, Afghanistan, Cambodia, Ethiopia, and Nicaragua.
I get the argument against judging FP by outcomes, but I think it's just as myopic to ignore the results entirely.
Posted on 1/6/26 at 11:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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I wasn't alive for Vietnam, but I would have also opposed it in real time.
I may not post very much, but Damn I didn't realize just how fricking smart you were that as a infant in the womb you would be having opinions.
Posted on 1/6/26 at 11:40 am to Wolfhound45
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It was a re-establishment of US power within the western hemisphere. Plain and simple. The calculus has dramatically shifted. And they know it.
And perfectly stated.
Posted on 1/6/26 at 11:42 am to Wolfhound45
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It was a re-establishment of US power within the western hemisphere. Plain and simple. The calculus has dramatically shifted. And they know it.
We're asserting and can likely maintain control over the Western Hemisphere, but China is a stronger competitor than anyone since the USSR and probably a stronger competitor than the USSR at its peak. They are ahead of us in a bunch of areas, most notably industrial production. Trump is trying to turn that around and to resist their encroachments everywhere but it is not a done deal
Posted on 1/6/26 at 11:52 am to Geekboy
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If tweet fails to load, click here. By keeping the focus on narco-trafficking, instead of the CIA laundering election theft technology through Venezuela, President Trump is able to justify this as a law enforcement action supported by the military, without needing to seek approval from an occupied Congress, who were only installed in office by relying on the very same election theft technology.
President Trump is 17 steps ahead.
He has it all. Retribution is coming.
This post was edited on 1/6/26 at 11:53 am
Posted on 1/6/26 at 12:19 pm to TX Tiger
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Kinda makes you wonder what we were doing for 20-plus years in the Middle East?
Those guys in the Middle East have been perfecting guerilla tactics for more than 50 years and they are happy to die to keep the infidels away. They are shite when it comes to resource allocation or support lines but are hardliners that have nothing to lose. The population over there overwhelmingly on the side of the bad guys.
What the hell has Venezuela and their corrupt military been up to in the past half century other than getting soft? They had a 3 day skirmish with some Cubans back in the 60s and that is about it. The military has no allegiance to a cause other than lining their pockets. The top military guys probably think they have an escape hatch so they are not going to give up their lives. Anyone under them probably doesn't have any allegiance to Maduro. And it seems like their population is pretty cool with us grabbing Maduro.
Posted on 1/6/26 at 12:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
BS
China tried to set a winter encampment in Mongolia.
The Party called the military leaders back and the troops, because the troops were inefficient.
China lacks the skills and logistics to stage and support an invasion of Taiwan.
Taiwan told the world what was happening in Wuhan. Taiwan spies superior to chokeson swallows Fang Fang.
China tried to set a winter encampment in Mongolia.
The Party called the military leaders back and the troops, because the troops were inefficient.
China lacks the skills and logistics to stage and support an invasion of Taiwan.
Taiwan told the world what was happening in Wuhan. Taiwan spies superior to chokeson swallows Fang Fang.
Posted on 1/6/26 at 12:49 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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You really don't think what China can or can't do (or more precisely what they might choose to try and do or not do) has anything to do with "this rhetoric" do you?
No because the rhetoric isn't valid, genuine, or sincere on our part.
China won't invade Taiwan for the actual reason we did our op in Venezuela: we are projecting power.
Posted on 1/6/26 at 12:52 pm to wackatimesthree
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How do you know?
We didn't allow the dominoes to fall, so how do you know?
Well, for starters...they did? We did lose Vietnam and the commies still run the place. Did that stop us from winning the Cold War?
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Remember, we ultimately won because we bankrupted them.
A large part of that was they couldn't afford their empire. That was always the ultimate flaw in Domino Theory.
Because of our capitalism-based influence, the expansion of our influence (it's not really an "empire") made us more rich.
This post was edited on 1/6/26 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 1/6/26 at 12:56 pm to TX Tiger
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makes you wonder what we were doing for 20-plus years in the Middle East?
As TulsaSooner78 said
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Feeding the MIC
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