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Posted on 11/3/25 at 2:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
I fear this “we’re not a democracy” thing is word play. No, we don’t decide everything by elections. We have a constitution. You have rights. Etc. Sometimes the “we’re not a democracy” folks don’t like it when the Court says the Constitution says a democratic majority can’t decide certain things (Obergefell, Loving, etc).
And while state to state there’s some direct democracy, we’re clearly not that nationally.
But we do have elections. We do elections representatives.
And while state to state there’s some direct democracy, we’re clearly not that nationally.
But we do have elections. We do elections representatives.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 2:52 pm to CaliHorn
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I fear this “we’re not a democracy” thing is word play. No, we don’t decide everything by elections.
It is, and it's used somewhat dishonestly by both the left and right.
The left, make no mistake, wants more of a pure democracy, though.
And the right has created this meme that "democracy" only means direct/pure democracy and is somehow mutually exclusive from a republic, ignore that almost every, if not every, republic on Earth is also a democracy. Your issues are the authoritarian areas that have votes and whether or not those are real votes or not, as well as what role the other government institutions have under the dictator. But those are rare.
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We have a constitution.
That's another layer. Not all democratic republics have a Constitution (like the UK)
Along with the federal system we have. Many democratic republics around the world have a national body only, with much more neutered local/regional powers. We have a split federal/state system.
We're a
Federal
Constitutional
Democratic
Republic
Our system is all of those things.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 3:07 pm to CaliHorn
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I fear this “we’re not a democracy” thing is word play. No, we don’t decide everything by elections. We have a constitution. You have rights. Etc. Sometimes the “we’re not a democracy” folks don’t like it when the Court says the Constitution says a democratic majority can’t decide certain things (Obergefell, Loving, etc).
And while state to state there’s some direct democracy, we’re clearly not that nationally.
But we do have elections. We do elections representatives.
Republics are a representative form of government ruled by a constitution or a charter. So, we can never be a democracy.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 3:09 pm to dgnx6
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Republics are a representative form of government ruled by a constitution or a charter. So, we can never be a democracy.
How are those representatives chosen in our system?
If its voting, then we're also a democracy
Posted on 11/3/25 at 3:15 pm to Timeoday
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The republican form of government, with its system of representation and separation of powers, was designed to protect the country from the instability of a direct democracy. This was the system the Founders ultimately established to "secure the blessings of liberty".
Democracy is wolves telling sheep what’s for dinner.
We are a Constitutional Republic
Correct, and it guarantees a republic.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 3:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If its voting, then we're also a democracy
Democratically elected representatives.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 3:31 pm to CaliHorn
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I fear this “we’re not a democracy” thing is word play. No, we don’t decide everything by elections. We have a constitution. You have rights. Etc. Sometimes the “we’re not a democracy” folks don’t like it when the Court says the Constitution says a democratic majority can’t decide certain things (Obergefell, Loving, etc).
And while state to state there’s some direct democracy, we’re clearly not that nationally.
But we do have elections. We do elections representatives.
Democracy sucks. Democracy says when 51% of the people decide they want part of your property, they have the right to do so.
People think democracy is this new idea and it's not. Plato absolutely destroyed it more than 2000 years ago after living through one.
1 person ruling over you = bad.
51% of the people ruling over = somehow great.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 3:35 pm to Timeoday
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The republican form of government, with its system of representation and separation of powers, was designed to protect the country from the instability of a direct democracy. This was the system the Founders ultimately established to "secure the blessings of liberty".
The civics meme that won’t die. The words “capitalism” and “Christian” aren’t in the Constitution either, yet I doubt you think that proves we’re a socialist atheist monarchy. “Republic vs democracy” is a fake binary. A republic just means no monarch. A democracy means political power comes from the voters. Most modern nations, including ours, are constitutional republics that function as representative democracies.
And note the word I bolded in your post. It's doing all the heavy lifting. You opened by attacking “democracy,” then quietly swapped in “direct democracy” like they're interchangeable. They're not. Nobody’s pushing for every citizen to vote on every law. The U.S. was built as a representative democracy, and that’s still democracy.
You only get to your conclusion by changing the definition mid argument, which makes your point a rhetorical trick, not a civics lesson.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 3:38 pm to northshorebamaman
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The civics meme that won’t die. The words “capitalism” and “Christian” aren’t in the Constitution either, yet I doubt you think that proves we’re a socialist atheist monarchy. “Republic vs democracy” is a fake binary. A republic just means no monarch. A democracy means political power comes from the voters. Most modern nations, including ours, are constitutional republics that function as representative democracies.
And note the word I bolded in your post. It's doing all the heavy lifting. You opened by attacking “democracy,” then quietly swapped in “direct democracy” like they're interchangeable. They're not. Nobody’s pushing for every citizen to vote on every law. The U.S. was built as a representative democracy, and that’s still democracy.
You only get to your conclusion by changing the definition mid argument, which makes your point a rhetorical trick, not a civics lesson.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 4:18 pm to Antonio Moss
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Because we aren’t a democracy.
OP is right; you are wrong. We are not a pure democracy, but we ARE a democracy
Article one section 2, says the following:
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The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States
This is democratic.
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Posted on 11/3/25 at 4:20 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
We understand you don’t think the constitution or US Code are relevant. You like to define things out of thin air.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 4:48 pm to Timeoday
I remember my early civics classes.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 4:54 pm to Timeoday
The constitution doesn't mention capitalism either. This doesn't mean we don't have a capitalist system.
A pure democracy would be where every law is voted on by the citizens without any representatives. Even the people that want to get rid of the electoral college are not calling for that.
We are a constitutional democratic republic. We have a constitution, we vote and we have representatives.
A pure democracy would be where every law is voted on by the citizens without any representatives. Even the people that want to get rid of the electoral college are not calling for that.
We are a constitutional democratic republic. We have a constitution, we vote and we have representatives.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 4:59 pm to Timeoday
We've strayed far from what was intended, and both shitty parties are responsible. We're down a third of our government with the Legislature abdicating the majority of its power and role to the Executive. We are now governed by a revolving door of Executive Orders, essentially a soft dictatorship that changes every 4-8 years.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 5:04 pm to orangebluetiger90
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Democrat might as well mean socialist now.
Those are who rule the Democratic Party. I saw a post where someone commented on a Democrat Senator from the late 90's and another Democrat responded, "Too much like a Republican"
Posted on 11/3/25 at 5:05 pm to ChineseBandit58
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combined with a compliant media
Oh, its much worse than that, and should be called out for what it is....
The MSM is the Marxist Dems propaganda machine. No different than the state controlled media in Russia, North Korea, or China.
Folks can claim, and rightfully so, that thier audience is dwindling, but the fact is that a many voters in the US depend on the propaganda machine.
It's powerful and needs to be eliminated.
How to do this is a slippery slope....
A good start would be to reenact the Smith-Mundt Act that Obama changed which allows American media to push propaganda on American citizens.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 5:10 pm to Timeoday
Little d, not big D.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 5:15 pm to LegendInMyMind
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We've strayed far from what was intended, and both shitty parties are responsible. We're down a third of our government with the Legislature abdicating the majority of its power and role to the Executive. We are now governed by a revolving door of Executive Orders, essentially a soft dictatorship that changes every 4-8 years.
The thing is, there is nothing structurally preventing Congress from re-usurping its Constitutional authority any time it might see fit to actually do so.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 5:16 pm to Timeoday
We are a representative democracy and a constitutional republic. BOTH CAN BE TRUE.
I hear this all the time. Even Charlie Kirk said it, he was wrong as well.
What you mean is we are not a direct democracy. That’s correct. A direct democracy also, to my knowledge, has never existed at any point in history. Maybe Athens?
Look up the definition of representative democracy. That is what the US is. Look up the definition of constitutional republic. That is also what the US is. Both can be true and both are true.
I hear this all the time. Even Charlie Kirk said it, he was wrong as well.
What you mean is we are not a direct democracy. That’s correct. A direct democracy also, to my knowledge, has never existed at any point in history. Maybe Athens?
Look up the definition of representative democracy. That is what the US is. Look up the definition of constitutional republic. That is also what the US is. Both can be true and both are true.
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