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Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:41 pm to soonerinlOUisiana
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Sounds like textbook reasonable use of deadly force. Pretti was a dumbass for showing up armed, and then getting into a physical altercation with LE.
No question ICE people acted in a reasonable manner. The deadly force triangle slammed shut. Once that happens all bets are off.
On the flip side, the dude showed up with the specific intent to get into an altercation with cops that day. There is no escaping that fact.
Any disagreement with the above, you gotta question whether you are being gaslit like you were during covid.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:41 pm to ThuperThumpin
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Not to.quibble as I agree with most of what you wrote but its hard to say what he was doing with his arm...it moved or swung in that direction but who knows why.
It’s hard for those of us watching videos to know. What matters is what the officer that pulled the trigger perceived and whether or not his perception was reasonable.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:41 pm to OccamsStubble
quote:Is that what he was doing? It looked like he was trying to get people out of the street. But I'll watch it again.
When was he in an obstructing position?
Standing in the middle of the street directing traffic doesn’t sound like the job of a VA nurse.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:42 pm to bhtigerfan
Welcome to two days ago.
No I don’t mean to be a dick.
However, why doesn’t somebody come out and say this as the official story to try to put some water on the flames?
No I don’t mean to be a dick.
However, why doesn’t somebody come out and say this as the official story to try to put some water on the flames?
This post was edited on 1/27/26 at 11:47 am
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:42 pm to bhtigerfan
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No one is going to jail for this you fricking retard. It was an unfortunate series of events that caused the shooting.
"they won't charge trump"
"trump won't get sued for rape"
"they'll never convict him"
"they'll never find him liable for rape"
"Trump will never lose ALL of his appeals"
^^^
That's you.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:43 pm to Willie Stroker
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What would you say is the moment when the incident started?
Early in one of the videos, one of the agents is trying to move Pretti over to the sidewalk. You can see him bracing his legs in resistance. That right there establishes him as a potential threat.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:44 pm to Ten Bears
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The engaging officer (the guy that shoved the female) had several Opportunities to disengage and deescalate, but chose not to. He could have 1) not walked over and pushed the female 2) walked away after spraying pepper spray 3) walked away after spraying pepper spray the second time. It’s Intersting that it was this same agent that was hitting the guy in head with his bottle of pepper spray while other were trying to detain him.
None of that has a bearing on a use of force decision by a different officer.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:44 pm to bhtigerfan
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So it’s yet to be determined whether the agent accidentally caused the accidental discharge with his finger, or the gun went off due to the P320 problem.
This is also not true. I posted a thread earlier with screenshots showing the agent holding the pistol by the grip and no fingers on the trigger. The pics also show a pistol with a slide in the unfired position and two sequential pics where the slide has moved into the fired position. Also included a link with source video with sound that shows the first gunshot lining up with the slide changing positions.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:45 pm to bhtigerfan
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But the gun discharging is what really caused the shooting
So because a poorly trained ICE agent causes a gun to discharge an innocent person deserves 10 bullets in them? Sure sure.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:48 pm to Stat M Repairman
All this is a massive propaganda campaign.
I'ts amazing how well this is working for them.
The same dumbfricks that were hassling you during covid are now onto this shite.
It's the same people. They caught up in the drama again. They've caught the fever.
I'ts amazing how well this is working for them.
The same dumbfricks that were hassling you during covid are now onto this shite.
It's the same people. They caught up in the drama again. They've caught the fever.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:53 pm to bhtigerfan
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No one is going to jail for this you fricking retard. It was an unfortunate series of events that caused the shooting.
Don’t be so certain. This is Minnesota, they may try to prove a point. I doubt Walz and Edison want to poke the bear right now but they’re quite retarded so…
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:55 pm to Willie Stroker
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None of that has a bearing on a use of force decision by a different officer.
Only if the dead guy had threatened other agents by going for his gun, but he didn’t.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:56 pm to TX Tiger
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So, you're against 2A.
No one is claiming opposition to 2A.
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When was he in an obstructing position?
When the nurse decided to white knight for the person that got pushed into the snow. He attempted to separate the agent from the pushed person. That’s illegal.
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What commands were given? He was mugged and thrown to the street by a group of thugs.
We could probably hear them if the area wasn’t filled with a bunch of agitators blowing Karen whistles to alert any potential dangerous criminals in the area.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:56 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
quote:It’s been a couple of days since I’ve watched the videos, but I’m kinda confused about your description.
This is simply not true. No weapons were drawn until the agent unholstered the dead guy’s weapon. The only agent that unholstered his weapon was the guy to the left. You can see him step into the pile appearing as if he’s looking for a weapon. As he begins to circle the dead guy, the agent who retrieved the pistol has it discharge in his hand. The agent with his weapon drawn is now directly behind the guy and fires the fatal shots. The other agents have not drawn their weapons at this point.
So you’re saying that after the guy in the grey jacket that retrieved the gun walked away, another agent circled behind him with his weapon drawn and fired after the accidental discharge?
That’s pretty much what I said happened.
Basically, the agents knew he was armed after the agent yelled it. He disarmed him but the other agents wrestling with him didn’t know he was disarmed. The pistol had an accidental discharge and they thought it came from the subject, so they “fired back.”
As much as y’all want to demonize these agents, they aren’t psycho killers out to murder citizens. They’re just people that have suffered a lot of harassment and abuse from the protesters and they just want to go home to their families after work and not be killed by leftist protesters.
There’s countless videos on social media of leftists encouraging others to “arm up and shoot ICE” so they are on high alert.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 7:59 pm to LakeCharles
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I don't recognize your screen name, but I will remember it now. You are truly a low life POS.
Cry me a river. Quite literally no different from saying “dead guy was a dumbass who deserved to die” — except that this person is actually dead.
Selectively triggered
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:01 pm to kingbob
Shouldn’t ICE have the guys phone? They should be able to see exactly what he was doing all morning and draw a timeline.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:01 pm to Willie Stroker
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Relevance? Gacy was clown dammit! A clown!
Clowns don’t save lives & Gacy was a murderer.
Bad at analogies man.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:03 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
quote:Sorry, I haven’t seen the pics or video you’re talking about.
This is also not true. I posted a thread earlier with screenshots showing the agent holding the pistol by the grip and no fingers on the trigger. The pics also show a pistol with a slide in the unfired position and two sequential pics where the slide has moved into the fired position. Also included a link with source video with sound that shows the first gunshot lining up with the slide changing positions.
I actually almost said in my original post that my money is on an accidental discharge caused by the pistol and not by the agent. I kind of assume most of those guys are very proficient and safe with pistols since they carry them every single day.
So you’re convinced that it was just an accidental discharge caused by the pistol? It doesn’t surprise me.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:05 pm to Ten Bears
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Only if the dead guy had threatened other agents by going for his gun, but he didn’t.
An overt threat would justify it. We know Pretti had a gun.
The officer who fired was only armed with a nonlethal weapon prior to seeing or hearing about the presence of gun. That’s the moment when the shooter transferred the chemical spray to his non-dominant hand and then drew his weapon with his finger along the slide of the weapon to avoid an accidental discharge. At some Pretti’s arm did go to the area where gray coat agent removed a weapon. If the shooter perceived that Pretti had either reached for his weapon or fired a shot, that would be the agent’s justification to stop the threat by pulling the trigger.
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