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re: Trigger Warning: UMC nurses in NO vote to unionize
Posted on 12/12/23 at 12:13 pm to GoAwayImBaitn
Posted on 12/12/23 at 12:13 pm to GoAwayImBaitn
quote:
Perfect example as to how administration believes in the best for them but everyone else deserves second rate care. Keep white knighting for these types as they really don't give a shite about you.
You realize that is a service they sell to companies not an exclusive service for their executives.
I know many companies, Law firms and entities that use these types of services as part of a benefit package to recruit new hires.
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Posted on 12/12/23 at 12:35 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Unions in no way shape or form care about safety. Thats utter bullshite.
They do in the goddamned elevator trade. I can tell you that.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 12:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:and
When you protect "less than average" workers, the above average and above get dumped on as a result.
that
is
what
is
happening
in
nursing
right
now,
before unionization.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 1:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
“When you protect “less than average “ workers ,above average and above get
dumped on as a result”.
That already happens without unions.It is laughable that Roger thinks he’s such an expert on “healthcare” and that unionizing will make things worse.
I’ll say it again-less than average workers get protected and the above average get dumped on.
That is already happening without unions.
Nurse managers (head nurse) are loathe to fire anyone in large part because they struggle to make a schedule with the warm bodies they have.It’s not like there is a waiting list of nurses wanting to come work in ICU.
Then when they get a new hire an experienced nurse gets saddled with precepting the new hire (extra work load).Many times the new hire decides the job is not for them and they quit after an inordinate amount of time(and money) have been invested in them.
Same thing happens with travelers,they have to be precepted by an experienced nurse for a few days to learn the unit.Some of them are excellent,some are terrible.
The nurse stuck with precepting the travelers tend to resent having the extra workload without compensation.
What it all boils down to the manager will put up with an incompetent nurse and hope the above average nurse will pick up the slack and keep patients from dying.
It happens,I have personally saved pts.that weren’t mine that pulled out their ET tubes or their art lines or were about to fall out of bed.
Maybe the nurse assigned to that pt.was legitematly tied up with their other pt.or maybe they were just assin’around.Doesn’t matter,I wasn’t going to let a pt. come to harm if I could help it.Pisses you off when the nurse was goofing off.
If unions correct the issue of understaffing,it will be worth it.
I have personally seen patients die due to understaffing.We once had a manager that prided herself on running a “tight ship”and staffed the unit with the bare minimum,3:1:nurse/patient ratio.It worked out most times but 1 night 1 of 4 nurses called in so there was 3 nurses for 12 pts.She said she had no one to call in,do the best you She herself was a nurse but she wouldn’t help Also didn’t have a ward secretary.
I had 5 pts,another had 5 ,1 had 2 due to the acuity of 1 of the pts(should have been 1:1).
One patient had a cardiac arrest,,3 of us resuscitated the pt.successfully.Meanwhile pt on other end of unit,extubated himself and died.We didn’t hear the alarms and no ward secretary to observe the central monitor.
That was clearly the fault of the manager but she suffered no immediate repercussions.She did eventually because 2 of us there quit shortly afterwards.,she got canned when 1/2 the staff quit.She should have lost her license.
It was sickening,pt.might not have survived long term but he shouldn’t have died that night.
I’ll say it again,if unionization means realistic nurse pt, ratios it will be a good thing.
dumped on as a result”.
That already happens without unions.It is laughable that Roger thinks he’s such an expert on “healthcare” and that unionizing will make things worse.
I’ll say it again-less than average workers get protected and the above average get dumped on.
That is already happening without unions.
Nurse managers (head nurse) are loathe to fire anyone in large part because they struggle to make a schedule with the warm bodies they have.It’s not like there is a waiting list of nurses wanting to come work in ICU.
Then when they get a new hire an experienced nurse gets saddled with precepting the new hire (extra work load).Many times the new hire decides the job is not for them and they quit after an inordinate amount of time(and money) have been invested in them.
Same thing happens with travelers,they have to be precepted by an experienced nurse for a few days to learn the unit.Some of them are excellent,some are terrible.
The nurse stuck with precepting the travelers tend to resent having the extra workload without compensation.
What it all boils down to the manager will put up with an incompetent nurse and hope the above average nurse will pick up the slack and keep patients from dying.
It happens,I have personally saved pts.that weren’t mine that pulled out their ET tubes or their art lines or were about to fall out of bed.
Maybe the nurse assigned to that pt.was legitematly tied up with their other pt.or maybe they were just assin’around.Doesn’t matter,I wasn’t going to let a pt. come to harm if I could help it.Pisses you off when the nurse was goofing off.
If unions correct the issue of understaffing,it will be worth it.
I have personally seen patients die due to understaffing.We once had a manager that prided herself on running a “tight ship”and staffed the unit with the bare minimum,3:1:nurse/patient ratio.It worked out most times but 1 night 1 of 4 nurses called in so there was 3 nurses for 12 pts.She said she had no one to call in,do the best you She herself was a nurse but she wouldn’t help Also didn’t have a ward secretary.
I had 5 pts,another had 5 ,1 had 2 due to the acuity of 1 of the pts(should have been 1:1).
One patient had a cardiac arrest,,3 of us resuscitated the pt.successfully.Meanwhile pt on other end of unit,extubated himself and died.We didn’t hear the alarms and no ward secretary to observe the central monitor.
That was clearly the fault of the manager but she suffered no immediate repercussions.She did eventually because 2 of us there quit shortly afterwards.,she got canned when 1/2 the staff quit.She should have lost her license.
It was sickening,pt.might not have survived long term but he shouldn’t have died that night.
I’ll say it again,if unionization means realistic nurse pt, ratios it will be a good thing.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 1:50 pm to LSUA 75
quote:
That already happens without unions.It is laughable that Roger thinks he’s such an expert on “healthcare” and that unionizing will make things worse.
Evidently you nurses think youre way more special than any other profession. All ive heard from y'all in this thread is "Nobody understands my drama..
" From the sound of it, none of you are happy in healthcare and should leave.
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 12/12/23 at 1:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I don't know who you quoted but that's not me (mine).
disappointing part of this thread is the lock-in to preconception without any attempt to understand nuance
I get nuance. But I also get you'll screw yourself having to manage union personnel.
You don't want this.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 2:04 pm to GoAwayImBaitn
quote:
GoAwayImBaitn
quote:Would your rather they come off of Bourbon and St Peter Streets?
Ochsner Executive Health
Posted on 12/12/23 at 2:11 pm to Diamondawg
quote:
I don't know who you quoted but that's not me (mine).
Sorry man, wrong person. Not sure how I did that.
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 12/12/23 at 3:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Unfettered capitalism" is a leftist dog whistle and a total fabrication. Your defense vs "capitalism" is your own work ethic and sense of enterprise.
Hospital Administration partakes in cronie capitalism. These guys work with lobbiest and know what they can get away with when it comes to government funding and kick backs.
These people were getting paid flat rates for patients who had covid from the feds. Money was made for sticking people on vents who did not need it. They got kickbacks for vaccines.
Ochsner for a fact is big into lobbying in Baton Rouge. They are a "not for profit" but we all know thats just a huge tax shelter. Its all bullshite.
Your "leftist dog whistle" comment cracks me up. The true leftists are the hospital administration of an organization such as Ochsner. They have installed DEI officers. They have forced vaccines on workers. They bill the ever living shite out of patients while giving sub standard care. Its disgusting what it all has become yet people like you defend this shite? Come on man, I'm no leftist by any means but you calling us leftists for pointing out what goes on is arse backward clown world shite.
Maybe people who took the job as a nurse did so knowing that they would not get rich but just truly wanted to work with people. Maybe they are sick of administration making millions off of their noble decision. Maybe people like you should be grateful people like the nurse who works for less than 6 figures exists and that the person who makes 7 figures like the administration type is a bit abhorrent given the field in which they operate.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 3:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Do you agree that poor management caused nurses to organize to advocate for better conditions? There isn’t room for any discussion if you refuse to acknowledge that. It appears that you think the nurses are the problem that is causing them to organize and not management. Is a that correct assessment?
Posted on 12/12/23 at 3:41 pm to GoAwayImBaitn
quote:
yet people like you defend this shite?
There’s no room for critical thinking when one is simply regurgitating arguments from “conservatives.”
Posted on 12/12/23 at 3:47 pm to GoAwayImBaitn
quote:I don't think Admin salaries bother most of them, per se.
Maybe they are sick of administration making millions off of their noble decision.
What bothers them is the push to extend Pt-RN ratios, while they're being saddled with crap EMRs and the responsibility to document EVERYTHING, instead of caring for an increased patient load with increased acuity.
Meanwhile, they are being dumped on by inefficient/incompetent locums, and being told by administration that complaints, concerns, or criticisms are just-cause for disciplinary action, either up front or behind their back.
Put succinctly, administrative compensation doesn't bother them. Administrative incompetence does.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 3:49 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Whoa girl!
one is simply regurgitating arguments from “conservatives.”
Posted on 12/12/23 at 3:56 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Nurses are not delivery drivers.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 5:45 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Put succinctly, administrative compensation doesn't bother them. Administrative incompetence does.
I’m sure it’s frustrating to see the people who are making their jobs impossible to do well compensated at 12,857% of their respective salaries.
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 12/12/23 at 5:51 pm to 4cubbies
quote:cubbies, I don't think it has to do with compensation. I think it has to do with job satisfaction.
I’m sure it’s frustrating to see the people who are making their jobs impossible to do well compensated at 12,857%.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 6:08 pm to NC_Tigah
I agree. The only reason anyone cares about higher ups’ compensation is when they’re screwing up conditions for the boots on the ground.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 6:20 pm to Nynna11
quote:
1. Not transferring a well insured patient to another facility for specialized care when certain vital equipment was not available.
What was the vital equipment and what was the diagnosis?
quote:
2. Discharging patients who are not well enough because insurance companies were pressuring them.
I’ll file this under “Hospital administrators should piss into the wind per Nynna.”
quote:
3. In an inpatient setting that insurance pays by covered days, pressuring providers NOT to discharge the patient when they still have covered days.
Don’t worry, the insurance company will probably reduce the contracted rates for your facility based on a review of these cases.
quote:
4. Keeping patients in “observation” for days instead of admitted status to avoid Medicare penalties for readmissions within a certain time frame.
Are you offering to share in the losses on reimbursement on these cases? Is the care different from the clinical team based on their inpatient status?
Posted on 12/12/23 at 6:20 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Well, damn! I thought this was all about patient safety.
I agree. The only reason anyone cares about higher ups’ compensation is when they’re screwing up conditions for the boots on the ground.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 6:34 pm to LSUA 75
quote:
If unions correct the issue of understaffing,it will be worth it.
How will unions correct the issue of understaffing? Be specific.
What is driving understaffing (besides the evil bureaucrats who refuse to hire nurses because it will hurt their bonuses)?
If those evil bureaucrats don’t want to hire nurses, why do they keep offering incentives to new hires?
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