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re: Trump and federalizing elections
Posted on 2/4/26 at 12:33 pm to Harry Caray
Posted on 2/4/26 at 12:33 pm to Harry Caray
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Because it's a nationwide election that should use nationwide polls. Why should the electoral college exist?
You don't understand the electoral college, then.
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Posted on 2/4/26 at 12:33 pm to Harry Caray
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Electoral college makes no sense in a federalized election
An electoral college only makes sense in the context of a federal system.
Every time this comes up I ask people like you why do they think it is that relatively few democracies on Earth elect their chief executive via direct nationwide vote?
France is a notable exception, as are Mexico and Brazil--but they all use a two round system within a multi-party environment--and none of them are great examples of stable systems of government.
This post was edited on 2/4/26 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 2/4/26 at 12:35 pm to VoxDawg
quote:Why does that screeching matter at all? Bush and Trump '16 won their electoral college elections and no amount of screeching would ever change that, as it shouldn't.
I'm bitching about every other EC victory by the GOP where the left screeches incoherently for 4 years about #MuhPopularVote when everyone that isn't functionally retarded acknoleeges that that's not how we keep score.
I'm just asking why, if the election is federalized, would there still be a need for the electoral college?
Posted on 2/4/26 at 12:39 pm to Harry Caray
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using a popular vote
oh hell no - unworkable - this is a nation we are trying to protect, not the cutest kid in 4th grade
Posted on 2/4/26 at 12:41 pm to Harry Caray
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would there still be a need for the electoral college?
The states select the president, not the people as a whole. The system was designed that way on purpose.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 12:42 pm to Jax-Tiger
I am not for federalizing elections, and I am not for a national popular vote determining president. But I don’t thing those two necessarily should be connected like goofy Harry caray states.
The truth is that each state votes in their own elections for president and their senators and at a more local level their representatives in the house. Those state and local elections should be run by the stars not by the federal government.HOWEVER there is enough impact to citizens of all the other states that there should be agreed upon rules that that each election must comply with. Such rules could be
1. Requirement of ID
2. Validation of Citizenship status
3. Validation of right to vote in a particular race
4. Validation that there are no other votes cast by that same person
5. Reasonable controls to validate mail in votes are not fraudulent
6. Background checks on all poll workers
7. Immutable voting records and Chain of custody requirements.
8. Deadline for receiving votes to happen BEFORE votes tally’s are reported
These are just some ideas, but I think it’s paramount that people have trust in the integrity of their elections, otherwise we do not have a democratic republic
The truth is that each state votes in their own elections for president and their senators and at a more local level their representatives in the house. Those state and local elections should be run by the stars not by the federal government.HOWEVER there is enough impact to citizens of all the other states that there should be agreed upon rules that that each election must comply with. Such rules could be
1. Requirement of ID
2. Validation of Citizenship status
3. Validation of right to vote in a particular race
4. Validation that there are no other votes cast by that same person
5. Reasonable controls to validate mail in votes are not fraudulent
6. Background checks on all poll workers
7. Immutable voting records and Chain of custody requirements.
8. Deadline for receiving votes to happen BEFORE votes tally’s are reported
These are just some ideas, but I think it’s paramount that people have trust in the integrity of their elections, otherwise we do not have a democratic republic
Posted on 2/4/26 at 12:56 pm to Harry Caray
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I'm just asking why, if the election is federalized, would there still be a need for the electoral college?
Do you think that a "federalized" election just means that we don't vote as individual states?
What he's saying is that he wants the federal government to take over the election oversight so that certain districts aren't consistently cheating, or at the very least incompetent (taking a month to count the votes, destroying evidence, screwing up the chain of possession for the ballots).
Posted on 2/4/26 at 1:04 pm to Harry Caray
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They make up 18% of the country's population, they should get 18% of the voting impact in a federal election.
You need to read up on your history. The EC was imposed by the other 12 colonies to do exactly what you’re complaining about: reduce the electoral power of New York City so that a presidential candidate has to appeal to each state, not just one city.
2016 popular vote: Hillary Clinton’s margin was created by significant majorities in three counties: Los Angeles, Cook, and New York. Remove those three localities and Trump wins the popular vote by 200k. Allowing the popular vote to determine the winner in that case would invalidate the will of the majority of voters in all but 3 counties in the country, thus creating an oligarchy where three large population centers determine the outcome of a national election.
This post was edited on 2/4/26 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 2/4/26 at 1:10 pm to Harry Caray
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Trump '16 won their electoral college elections and no amount of screeching would ever change that, as it shouldn't.
But they immediately shifted to the Russian Collusion fairy tale in an effort to hamstring the first Trump administration, undermining their authority.
To pretend that leftists simply accepted the EC victory in 2016 is grossly ignorant at best, and willfully ignorant of the tantrum that was pitched nonstop until 2021.
This post was edited on 2/4/26 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 2/4/26 at 1:15 pm to VoxDawg
quote:It doesn't matter if they accepted it or not, that was the result and it wasn't going to change no matter how many tantrums were thrown.
To pretend that leftists simple accepted the EC victory in 2016 is grossly ignorant at best, and willfully ignorant of the tantrum that was pitched nonstop until 2021.
Oh, and there absolutely was Russian collusion. Not to a criminal extent, but
quote:
A June 2016 Trump Tower meeting where Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort met with Russian nationals promising dirt on Clinton as "part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump."
Trump associate Roger Stone's communications forecasting WikiLeaks releases of damaging Clinton information, with suggestions of coordination.
Paul Manafort sharing internal polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian intelligence-linked associate, during the campaign
Posted on 2/4/26 at 1:26 pm to Harry Caray
Funny how the right is soo scared of the popular vote but agree with Nationalizing voting by him bc he would cheat like he does at everything
The Right knows they are not popular and have to hold on to the EC to even have a chance to hold power.
He lost to Biden in 2020, popular and EC, and will never be elected again when gone, enjoy it now
The Right knows they are not popular and have to hold on to the EC to even have a chance to hold power.
He lost to Biden in 2020, popular and EC, and will never be elected again when gone, enjoy it now
Posted on 2/4/26 at 1:42 pm to Harry Caray
why? More just system would be to have a EC vote go to whoever wins each congressional district and then the winner of the overall state gets 2 EC votes for the senate seats.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 1:43 pm to AubieinNC2009
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More just system would be to have a EC vote go to whoever wins each congressional district and then the winner of the overall state gets 2 EC votes for the senate seats.
Nebraska and Maine already do this, and I think more States should.
Trump would have gotten 292 EV's with this method as opposed to 312.
This post was edited on 2/4/26 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 2/4/26 at 1:48 pm to Harry Caray
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Why should the electoral college exist?
Because we live in a Republic and not mob rule.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 1:55 pm to Jax-Tiger
He’s trying to flood the news zone with outrageous shite to take everyone’s attention off of Epstein files.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 2:23 pm to Jax-Tiger
Ah yes.
Nothing screams democracy more like one party controlling the voting process.
Nothing screams democracy more like one party controlling the voting process.
This post was edited on 2/4/26 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 2/4/26 at 2:26 pm to HeadLightBanDit
I just looked at your post history and you didn’t once criticize dems and Biden for trying to pass that bill in 2022 that would have federalized elections
Posted on 2/4/26 at 2:27 pm to Jax-Tiger
I don't think it should be federalized, but it should meet some federal standards.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 2:46 pm to Harry Caray
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Because it's a nationwide election that should use nationwide polls. Why should the electoral college exist?
So that each state has some representation. I'm sure you don't care but that would disenfranchise a lot of minorities, as well as your intended target, rural whites.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 2:49 pm to Harry Caray
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It doesn't matter if they accepted it or not, that was the result and it wasn't going to change no matter how many tantrums were thrown.
Oh, and there absolutely was Russian collusion.
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