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re: UK will expel 23 Russian diplomats, moving to freeze Russian state assets
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:42 pm to LSURussian
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:42 pm to LSURussian
He thinks the UK "would" do it to its defectors (and maybe that we would too?). But I just don't think there's much in the historical record to bear that out. We didn't even do targeted assassinations on Russian soil during the Cold War (that's been confirmed at least).
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Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:43 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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WTF would you have them do? Nothing? That is just not realistic.
They aren't doing anything. They're doing public shite that will be temporary and will amount to nothing.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:44 pm to funnystuff
quote:Wanting to kill someone and successful doing it are not the same thing.
Then why isn’t Snowden dead?
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:44 pm to MastrShake
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UK will expel 23 Russian diplomats
Cal signed some Russian one and dones?
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:51 pm to TigerDoc
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He thinks the UK "would" do it to its defectors (and maybe that we would too?). But I just don't think there's much in the historical record to bear that out. We didn't even do targeted assassinations on Russian soil during the Cold War (that's been confirmed at least).
Ehhhh - I probably wouldn't go that far. I think we have and would do it if we thought it was necessary. There's still a good bit about the Cold War that is still highly classified, so I wouldn't say that we didn't do it.
But exposing hundreds of civilians to a chemical agent is a whole different beast than suiciding a double agent in a bathtub. That is way over the line, and Russia needs to feel the pain.
This post was edited on 3/14/18 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:54 pm to TigerDoc
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He thinks the UK "would" do it to its defectors (and maybe that we would too?). But I just don't think there's much in the historical record to bear that out. We didn't even do targeted assassinations on Russian soil during the Cold War (that's been confirmed at least).
I know that the British didn't kill any of the Cambridge Five, who were the most famous British defectors to the USSR. I don't think there is much evidence that the British would kill defectors in the same way that the Russians do. It's much more difficult in ostensible democracies.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:56 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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I think we have and would do it if we thought it was necessary.
I'd argue that what is considered necessary in the democracies and in authoritarian regimes is much different. Authoritarian regimes have a much lower threshold seemingly.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:57 pm to ShortyRob
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They aren't doing anything. They're doing public shite that will be temporary and will amount to nothing.
What do you suggest they do?
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:58 pm to MastrShake
Only foreigners allowed in the uk are mussie migrants
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:59 pm to crazy4lsu
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I know that the British didn't kill any of the Cambridge Five, who were the most famous British defectors to the USSR. I don't think there is much evidence that the British would kill defectors in the same way that the Russians do. It's much more difficult in ostensible democracies.
You are correct that it's more difficult to do in a democracy, but the Cambridge Five were way too high profile. I absolutely believe both they and we would do (and have done) it if the stakes were high enough and the domestic blowback minimal or absent.
We certainly wouldn't do it the way the Russians did it, though. They really have this deep-seated psychological fear of turncoat spies, though. They've been brutally targeting them since at least the 30's.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:04 pm to AbuTheMonkey
Any foreign power that releases a chemical agent on US soil had damn well better be retaliated against. Realize the chemical agent affected more than just the intended target.
UK citizens were affected. It is damn near an act of war.
UK citizens were affected. It is damn near an act of war.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:09 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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They really have this deep-seated psychological fear of turncoat spies, though. They've been brutally targeting them since at least the 30's.
I bet a lot of that paranoia was born out of Bolshevik interaction with the Imperial secret police, the Okhrana, who set up communists and other left wingers before the Russian Revolution.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:37 pm to MastrShake
frick the UK and their limp wristed "conservative" party, their rush to judgement and their authoritarian government.
Won't even give TRUMP a proper state visit / meeting with the Queen and her tainted "Royal family".
Won't even give TRUMP a proper state visit / meeting with the Queen and her tainted "Royal family".
This post was edited on 3/14/18 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:43 pm to MastrShake
It’s a sad day when the UK will stand up to Russia but the US won’t.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:47 pm to ShortyRob
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Look. I get why everyone's panties are in a wad. But, when you spy for a government and then go to the other side, it is quite often a very unhealthy choice. Are we going to just all sit here and pretend we don't know this?
Kind of like Russia interfering with our elections. We do the same for Russia. It shouldn't be shame on Russia it should be shame on us for not having protections in place IF anything was actually done.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:48 pm to TimeOutdoors
Theresa may has more balls than Trump.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:48 pm to Lakeboy7
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No but like a good employee he wont say shite.
Why would he say anything?
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:49 pm to JuiceTerry
Moron
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:53 pm to JuiceTerry
When did the Left in America turn against Russia?
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:53 pm to TigerDoc
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defectors
Skripal wasn’t a defector. He was arrested and imprisoned in Russia, then settled in the UK after he was exchanged for Russian spies in Western custody.
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