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re: US Military vs The Cartels
Posted on 2/7/25 at 7:27 pm to BlueFalcon
Posted on 2/7/25 at 7:27 pm to BlueFalcon
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The Cartels also lack popular support that every successful insurgency has relied upon. Most Mexicans despise the cartels for the violence, corruption, and suffering they cause.
I think this is a key. If the cartels really went to a true hot war with the US military, we would also have the support of many Mexican locals and local government that are currently scared to death and not equipped to fight them.
And since these are now terrorist organization, we don’t need to send them to our prison system. gitmo and secret prison for all of them.
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 7:29 pm to TigerV
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gitmo and secret prison for all of them.
If our intel is good dirt nap them. There's a percentage at the top with the power and they should be the focus. I'm not really bloodthirsty for some mule trying to feed his kids, nor do I want to bother with him and Gitmo.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 7:29 pm to Lord of the Hogs
Don’t have to kill all of them or even most of them. Drive them south away from the border and destroy their ability to market their products and we win.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 7:32 pm to RelicBatches86
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But arent the cartels going to fight to the death?
its either win or sentenced to life / decades in Guantanamo, American Max Security prison or El Salvador.
You think they're OK losing their wealth and political power? There's no peace negotiation to be had.
They also know from history that American citizens can only stomach war and US troop deaths for just a few years, they could just decide to bunker down
The rank and file are going to attempt to melt back into regular society, the smart ones that have the money to do so will escape to another country with their cash and lead a very boring, middle class life
The stupid ones will be killed outright or head over to Bukele's Freedom Camp or worse yet, head there missing limbs and as a cripple from wounds they suffer in combat
Posted on 2/7/25 at 7:35 pm to TigerV
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I think this is a key. If the cartels really went to a true hot war with the US military, we would also have the support of many Mexican locals and local government that are currently scared to death and not equipped to fight them.
And since these are now terrorist organization, we don’t need to send them to our prison system. gitmo and secret prison for all of them.
Exactly except we send them to CECOT in El Salvador AKA Bukele's Freedom Camp
The Cartels have been brutalizing the people of Mexico for decades, raping and murdering young children in front of their parents, taking children to put them into the sex trade, every business from barbers to banks must pay a protection tax etc
The reprisals are going to be the stuff of nightmares
Posted on 2/7/25 at 7:37 pm to JColtF
Blatantly absurd to think the entire country of Mexico could even begin to tangle with the United States military, let alone some two bit cartel. Truly laughable. In the words of the great and celebrated Depends crapper himself, "C'mon man..........."
Posted on 2/7/25 at 7:40 pm to JColtF
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The Cartels have responded, they forward deployed several combined arms divisions to the Border Regions consisting of 350,000 troops and support personnel, 2,500 tanks and armored infantry fighting vehicles, 1500 MLRS and Radar Guided Artillery, 20 S-500 Regiments and 50 S-400 Regiments along with all the needed support personnel. I heard they scrambled 6 squadrons of SU-57s and 2 Squadrons of SU-75s. They've also activated their "Bomber Net" and have launched all of their strategic bombers equipped with Hyper Sonic Missiles. To confront our Navy they sent two Carriers escorted by eight Destroyers and four heavy cruisers along with an unknown number of Attack Submarines. Oh wait, never mind, they don't have any of that, they're busy partying while one of them keeps an eye on ADS-B Exchange as their 'early warning' system But hey, they got gold plated AKs, and that's nice
Posted on 2/7/25 at 7:50 pm to Shanegolang
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The Cartels have responded, they forward deployed several combined arms divisions to the Border Regions consisting of 350,000 troops and support personnel, 2,500 tanks and armored infantry fighting vehicles, 1500 MLRS and Radar Guided Artillery, 20 S-500 Regiments and 50 S-400 Regiments along with all the needed support personnel. I heard they scrambled 6 squadrons of SU-57s and 2 Squadrons of SU-75s. They've also activated their "Bomber Net" and have launched all of their strategic bombers equipped with Hyper Sonic Missiles. To confront our Navy they sent two Carriers escorted by eight Destroyers and four heavy cruisers along with an unknown number of Attack Submarines. Oh wait, never mind, they don't have any of that, they're busy partying while one of them keeps an eye on ADS-B Exchange as their 'early warning' system But hey, they got gold plated AKs, and that's nice
Posted on 2/7/25 at 7:52 pm to OchoDedos
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They're not totally hapless and should not be underestimated. In the right circumstances they can definitely ruin your day.
Definitely not over the long haul.
No one on the planet can beat a focused US military over the long haul.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 8:09 pm to OchoDedos
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A fair amount of Cartel Enforcers are ex-military, a number with Airborne and USMC training. They're not totally hapless and should not be underestimated. In the right circumstances they can definitely ruin your day.
That's true, but if the cartels were serious about mounting a legitimate defense against the U.S. military, they wouldn't be just sitting there watching the U.S. freely collect intel and stage their forces. They would be proactively disrupting U.S. operations before the hammer drops.
Right now, the cartels are allowing the U.S. to do everything they need to completely map out, target, and eliminate them. That’s not a strategy, it’s waiting for death.
If they were thinking like an actual combat force, they’d be doing asymmetric preemptive strikes to disrupt U.S. logistics, intelligence gathering, and operational effectiveness.
The U.S. needs access to air power to conduct precision strikes and ISR (Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance). The best time to cripple air operations is before the planes ever take off.
Using assets inside the U.S. to attack pilots and aircrews as they're the most vulnerable when they’re off-base. To disrupt operations at airfields they should be flying small drones into military runways to force shutdowns and placing explosive devices near runways or fuel depots because grounded aircraft means limited intel and no strikes.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 8:30 pm to jp4lsu
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Mexico will not tolerate
What are they gonna do about it?
Posted on 2/7/25 at 8:33 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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America won't lose their shite if some SF guy zips a little brown baby in Juarez?
That’s not what I’m referencing you dolt. I’m referencing the ridiculous and dangerous rules of engagement thrusted upon us that maintained if an enemy fighter fired upon us and then dropped his weapon we could not waste him.
shite like that. I’m not talking about reckless bullshite like leveling towns and having no regard for safety of civilians. But when it comes to fighting the enemy aka the cartels the fricking gloves need to be off. Otherwise what the frick are we doing?
Posted on 2/8/25 at 7:20 am to TackySweater
You live in a pollyanna fantasy land if you think they are not looking to get their hands on cartel money for themselves.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 7:41 am to JColtF
As coordinated as they are now I’d argue Palestine is built far better for a war of attrition. The cartels wouldn’t give us anything we haven’t seen and quite frankly we would give them everything they haven’t seen. It would be a blood bath. COD kill death ratio 100 on the hardest map.
Unless I’m mistaken, the cartels aren’t operating in densely populated areas making hiding much more difficult. Supply lines would be a mess for them as well.
If you take civilian life out of a city or operate on a piece of land and ask us to come play a lot of people are going to get touched up in ways they never dreamed while duct taping kilos of Colombian bam bam.
Unless I’m mistaken, the cartels aren’t operating in densely populated areas making hiding much more difficult. Supply lines would be a mess for them as well.
If you take civilian life out of a city or operate on a piece of land and ask us to come play a lot of people are going to get touched up in ways they never dreamed while duct taping kilos of Colombian bam bam.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 7:48 am to JColtF
Smoking copious amounts of that stuff is having real consequences on young people’s ability to think rationally.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 7:56 am to KiwiHead
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You live in a pollyanna fantasy land if you think they are not looking to get their hands on cartel money for themselves.
Maybe so. Maybe that’s something that will even be allowed. I don’t really care as long as they do the job.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 7:58 am to KiwiHead
So Prince can go in and steal some money and coke for himself. You guys have no idea about the sociopaths that abound in Special Forces.
At least we’d be buy our drugs from a white guy. End DEI
At least we’d be buy our drugs from a white guy. End DEI
Posted on 2/8/25 at 7:59 am to JColtF
If we can get approval to run multiple operations at once- Air Force, Navy, & SOF guys it wouldn’t last long.
The challenge becomes money and fatalities.
Ideal plan is to recon where strong holds/storage areas- fire missile. Send in SOF as sweeper team. Leave the death and destruction. Tactical retreat. Repeat the process until there are no more Mexican Bad guys.
The challenge becomes money and fatalities.
Ideal plan is to recon where strong holds/storage areas- fire missile. Send in SOF as sweeper team. Leave the death and destruction. Tactical retreat. Repeat the process until there are no more Mexican Bad guys.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 8:55 am to TackySweater
Cocaine supply will not diminish. Just a new supplier on the scene.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 8:58 am to KiwiHead
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Cocaine supply will not diminish. Just a new supplier on the scene.
How will it get across the border?
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